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Posted: Mon Jan 29th, 2007 08:26 am |
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This room sounded superb, and was the stand out for me.
loads of depth, soundstaging was superb...really natural sounding ....just superb.
Again, a lot of overpriced stuff...mbl was no where near good enough, as was the macintosh room.
What kit was this kit by the way?... deffo the best sounding to me.
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Posted: Mon Jan 29th, 2007 12:59 pm |
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Actually that was a good room, strange thing my mate and myself had that to ourselves for ages.
The spec on the speakers shows a list price of CND$33,000, not bargain money then!
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Pasted from PFM.
Right, I'm not very good with words so here goes!
First room was Audio Note for me. I walked in to find a couple of speakers crammed in the corners (AN/E I think) and saw they were using a AN TT-1 with the Arm One tone arm, don't know which cart, an Integrated Amp, the Meishu IIRC. There was also a one box CD Player on the side, the CD3.1. The TT was playing and there was a jazz trumpet blaring away and it was awesome. There was a real sense of presence and texture and I thought, and I couldn't help it, 'niiiiiice' and nodded my head in a Jazz Club John Thomson style. Then a double bass started. Oh. I thought that someone had managed to start the CD playing at the same time because what the double bass was playing bore no resemblence whatsoever to what the trumpeter was doing. It was out of tune and out of time, and virtually unlistenable. Then the trumpet stopped and the double bass carried on. Oooh, loverl... doh! The trumpet started and it fell apart again. I thought I would leave the ensconced jazz men in the dem room and return later, thinking it might be my ears need to go back to normal after the drive. When I did return I just found more of the same. Very frustrating as with individual instruments it was sublime. Unfortunately I don't own many albums with only one instrument playing, just a few piano works. Sorry I wrote a lot about this one as it made a big impression on me.
Then it was the turn of Audiocraft. Can't remember (there will be a lot of this...) what the electronics were but there were some amphion speakers playing. Sounded pleasant enough, very inoffensive but not particularly inspiring.
Didn't go in the Samsung room as it was very busy.
The Dali room was a nice size with lots of Demo CDs for sale for a tenner. There was a big dobbing telly betwixt the array of speakers, a big pile of NAD Masters series in one corner but the front end when I went in was a Marantz Pairing of SA11-S1 SACD player and PM15-S1 Integrated with the £8k Dali MS4 or 5(not sue, all the chap in there told me was how onderfully expensive it all was. He then gave me one of those CDs for free which was jolly nice. It almost covered the entry fee and parking. Then he put some 'music' on. Snow patrol or something similar It was dire. Really really dire. The lad, who had stopped with his salesman smile ran over to the amp and turned it off. He said 'ooh, sorry, that was shit wasn't it?' I nodded in agreement. He then put some hi-fi dem style guitar music on. Bobbins, it was so congested and muffled. I ran off with my free CD while he was telling someone else how much it all cost.
Heard DSOTM coming from the Metropolis music room. I ventured in and there it was. The Lumley. A shining phallus to all things hi-fi. It was an impressive beast. Can't remember the amps but I think the speakers were Hansens in black, they looked quite curvy and bulky yet cute. It sounded good but was a little lacking in communication, but one to consider for home dem though.
The Henley Designs room was blighted by a half price Bland'n'dull cable sale so it was difficult to get past the leaflet collecters looking at the array of wires. The Roksan CDP and amp were on at the time with, I think but it was difficult to see, the Roksan FR5 speakers. It was difficult to appraise due to the frenzied questions relating to cable prices (I'll do it you for 45 instead of 50 cos it's only an 80cm one my friend!) going on in the background so I left and am unable to pass comment other than it didn't offend me.
Didn't go in the Podium room for some inexplicable reason. Wish I had because I am intrigued by the speakers, apparently chap reckons they are 'flat horns'. They Look like electrostatics apparently but can't pass comment.
Meridian were showing their G91a all in one wonder with some on wall speakers. Don't know what they were playing but it was as shrill as my missus when I got home late after the show having been out for a curry. For those of you that don't know, that is a very unpleasant sound indeed. I promptly left before my ears fell off. To be fair though, I think they had some plants and shit, so it all looked nice.
Pinsh. I wouldn't have done if they were left unattended, with a big sign over them saying 'TAKE ME', by an open door leading to the car park where my car was sat with it's boot open and the engine revving to go. V poor. Dull, bland and, I can't even be bothered.
I had been on a night shift Saturday night so had only had a couple of hours sleep. I was managing fine until I ventured into the Arcam room. They had a CDP and Amp with some thin PMC speakers that looked very nice. Oh my god. My neck went and I started dribbling within two minutes. I woke myself up having commited a loud snore. I looked around and got my bearings, trying to find my teddy bear, then I heard the music again and I was gone. I wasted about fifteen minutes in there. I bet the director must have used Arcam and PMC to play music during the filming of the Poppy field scene in the Wizard of Oz to help the actors on their way.
Audio Republic had a lovely looking Roksan Xerxes TT and some Avalon speakers with some amps or other. Possibly C-J. (Are you beginning to get the picture with regards to my mental capacity yet? This is all from memory after all!) It sounded a little boxy which surprised me but otherwise alright, fairly communicative, I would be very interested to hear the set up at home.
The Sugden/Focal room was a good size one and it needed to be. They had the new Masterclass range on show, the CDP, Pre and two dobbing great mono-blocks. I mean Dobbing. They looked a million dollars to me, as did the speakers. The sound surprised me in as much as it was so controlled. Communicative, full, clear, enjoyable. Good room that one. They had some nice displays at the back too which didn't interfere with the dem itself.
Chord were showing their wares on one of them there fancy stands with some Wilson Benesch discovery standmounters. What I discovered was dischord. Ha ha. Get it? Possibly the worst room at the show it was brash, uncommunicative nonsense. Looked pretty though.
I was intrigued by the http://www.sonos.com/ room. They had it set up like a multi-room install with the different modules dotted around the room. The chap was very pleasant and explained it all very well to me, I don't know about sound quality, it will depend on so many parameters but it looked great, the control unit looked bombproof (it can withstand being dropped on a concrete floor!) and was splashproof, it was also a joy to hold. Very interesting.
Electrocompaniet were a no show.
There were two Harmann rooms, one was the mother of all home cinema set ups, the other it's little girl. The main one had a full JBL Project Array speaker set-up, the fronts had 14" bass drivers yet they still had a 90+kg sub! There was a Themescene HD81 projector being used and I could not believe it, but the source was in common or garden 576i, not 1080p, not 1080i, not even 576p. The projector had an upscaler to 1080p that comes with it. The picture was out of this world, especially on, what looked to me like, a 7' screen, in such a small room. I was gravely concerned that the speakers would be too much but no, there was so much control. Very, very impressive. I just wished that they had put on Monsters Inc so I could compare it to most other AV dems.  I didn't go in the other room as it was very busy. They had some weird looking Infinity surround speakers though.
Can't remember HiAudio.
IconDistribution had a home cinema set up using Tannoys, I stepped in but I just couldn't be arsed with a sub sat AV dem.
MAX had a splendid looking array of Audio Research kit, an SME TT and some Wilson speakers. I don't know what happened but it was completely lost. No communication, just hi-fi that wasn't particularly hi. Don't know what it was, the room, the set up or the kit or what, but it was really disappointing as I'd heard a lot of good things about all the kit.
The first Naim room I saw was an AV dem and it was another f~@&%$g Sub sat dem and it was awful. Too much bass, no music. Terrible. The second Naim room had lovely seats so I sat down for a bit. They were playing some muzak which was frustrating and they wouldn't play a CD of mine because they were 'too busy and then everyone would want to put theirs on' so it is difficult to judge. All I can say is that it was nice. Not great, not poor, not brash, not dull. Nice. Set up wise they were using the CD555, don't know which amplification was on at the time as the wall was awash with swathes of black boxes and little green lights all in a neat row, with some (I think, I'm not well up on Naim you know) SL2 speakers. Just 'Nice'.
Signature Audio Systems were definitely one of the better sounds at the show, all stuff I had never even seen before, let alone heard. They had a 'haven't a clue' front end with, I think, Art Audio valve pre and monos. The speakers were the unfortunately named Ars Aurus range. The music was communicative and well balanced and well worth a look. The kit looked great, very well built and wasn't, IIRC very expensive. Another very good room.
SIM2 I didn't go in as I'd heard about their Paul McKenna sales techniques and I didn't want to queue.
MBL were back, this time they weren't playing 30 second snippets of instrumental elevator-jazz but real music. It was, er, not so good. Huge diffuse sound that was out of time and boring to listen to. It does look ace though...
Can't remember The Audio Room, I'm going to have to have a break until later so I can refresh my tiny little mind. If anyone is interested I will continue to Levels four and nine then...
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Napoleon wrote: I was managing fine until I ventured into the Arcam room. They had a CDP and Amp with some thin PMC speakers that looked very nice. Oh my god. My neck went and I started dribbling within two minutes. I woke myself up having commited a loud snore. I looked around and got my bearings, trying to find my teddy bear, then I heard the music again and I was gone. I wasted about fifteen minutes in there. I bet the director must have used Arcam and PMC to play music during the filming of the Poppy field scene in the Wizard of Oz to help the actors on their way.
This is exactly the effect that Arcam FMJ stuff and (huge, vast) PMC speeks had at one of the Heathrow shows. A big room; a few gently snoring people.
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Posted: Mon Jan 29th, 2007 04:38 pm |
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ronc wrote: Well, soundstage is 90% of it, for me, so no wonder I love them. I was impressed with the (slightly more realistically priced) Ensemble Dirondo, though. No-one has answered in the affirmative to my earlier posts asking who else heard them, so I can only assume I am the only one to have had the pleasure, so far.
Didn't make Manchester  but first heard Ensemble's full setup a couple of years ago at Bristol and always make a beeline for their demos - one day I will own an Ensemble system: truly beautiful noise makers, and the build and engineering are second to none.  Sadly the price will very probably stay well beyond my aspirations...
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| Aaah, the Ensemble must be the 'haven't a clue' front end in the Signature audio systems room that I enjoyed.
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Napoleon wrote: Aaah, the Ensemble must be the 'haven't a clue' front end in the Signature audio systems room that I enjoyed.
Yeah, if the front panel controls are arranged like this: OOOOOOO then it's an Ensemble!
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| Oooh, very good Earl! Yes, it was.
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diappointed with MBL.nealy dozed off in ARCAM's room not as good as the old delta range may have been speaker not heard them before.PODIUM SOUND if the person with the remote did not keep jumping tracks every 2 or 3 seconds,high and mid ranges when for a walk to get its lunch what bass there was sounded woolly. Chord looked good sound disapointed.MAX audio research, sme tt & wilson speakers sounded good. was not a lover of valves till i walked in to AUDIONOTE sat down and was blown away by setup cdp meishu amp i think that its name and speakers proper music spent a fair bit of time in there. next stop COHERENT had a chat with TONY stayed here awhile listening to puresound A30(on my wish list) & electra 1007 be great sound across a range of music.
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Just had a quick re-read of this thread and other than me saying I did'nt like it, theres been no other mention of the Tannoy Westminster Royals.
Does this mean theres some truth in what I say...
Wheres the space oddysey emoticon . . . . .
I just think for the £15K price tag, they should be something special, maybe it was the room or the music or another factor but from what I heard on Sunday, my cheapo Castle Severns at home were more listenable.
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lol - they had a pair of Westminsters at the show? Don't envy the dude who had to lug those through the corridors
Think if you get a chance to listen to Strummer or Andy's Tannoys, they might give you a better idea of how they can sound BB 
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| I did offer to help but I don't think they heard me :lmao:
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Napoleon wrote:
Signature Audio Systems were definitely one of the better sounds at the show, all stuff I had never even seen before, let alone heard. They had a 'haven't a clue' front end with, I think, Art Audio valve pre and monos. The speakers were the unfortunately named Ars Aurus range. The music was communicative and well balanced and well worth a look. The kit looked great, very well built and wasn't, IIRC very expensive. Another very good room.
Yes, this was the Ensemble Dirondo CDP that I was so taken with, linked to Art Audio DAC and Pre-amp. Mark Williams (the smallish, black guy for those who visited the room) was extremely friendly and helpful (he didn't sneer when I answered his question about what kit I had, for instance!). Top bloke and top kit.
I'm pleased someone actually heard it - clearly not a one-off for this company, given Earl of Sodbury's high regard gained from other shows. I think Ensemble are from Switzerland, aren't they? Definitely one I'll be trying at home, perhaps with the Art Audio pre-amp, as it was set up in the show.
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lol - they had a pair of Westminsters at the show? Don't envy the dude who had to lug those through the corridors
Yup, they were in the World room, alongside some B&W 801Ds (we went for size!! :lmao: )
Fortunately they were already in the room when we arrived, although it was just me and another chap who had to heave them off the plinths and position them, and then lug them back on, on the Sunday evening.
Was it worth the effort? I couldn't possibly comment but they certainly attracted wildly differing responses!
As to the 801D's.......... :Bouncey::Bouncey:
Only got a quick run round the show, but in no particular order, i was rather impressed with -
Signature Audio - Lots of gloss black, so that was a winner even before i heard anything. Ars Aures Sensorials sounded great, as did the Egglestone Works floorstanders.
Mowgan Audio - Artio standmouts were fab.
Hi Audio - 3-armed turntable demo was cool! Impressed by the Cartridge Man arm (first time i've heard it) but would need to listen for longer to find out if it really is better than an SME V
Robson Acoustics - Newbies from Cumbria. Finish on their speakers was superb and the wooden passive preamp looked great! Greystone Opulus speakers sounded very good - lots of bass for their size.
Totem/Einstein - I have loved Totem speakers for years. Not heard the Forests before. Liked 'em.
Any other wammers there then? I saw Murray and Mr. C and heard a rumour purplepleaser was around, but that was it.
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I nipped in for 10 mins near the end when they had the Q&A session with Noel. Saw you of course, and PAG and BB were sat on the front row (I think). Couldn't hold on to introduce myself as I had a critical appointment at the bar to make.
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My first show, and one of my first posts too, so be gentle..
My first comment, concerns how bad the music choices were.
So many rooms I left, because they were playing a: twee chamber music, b: chanting bells and whistles, c: acoustic guitar vox (which sounds good on most things). I would have liked to hear some more complex full range stuff to see how the systems coped.
For what its worth, I loved the MAX room with SME, ARC and Wilson system, I thought the DCS sounded potetially great but let down by the room and the rest of the system and I was really suprised by the wobbly rack demo (inc the power supply shelf!!).
The MBL i thought was awful (but that was mainly the choice of music I think) and the chord system I thought sounded like a bright midi system (again bad music choice - compressed R+B (Usher) playing too loud!).
MAny rooms were really let down by the acoustics of the room too - lots of bass bloom etc etc.. Great forum BTW!
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I agree about the music-dire and would sound good through a paper bag.
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| Occupation: | All round bad boy. | | Interests: | Music, Martial arts, sports | | My real name: | Alex | | My CD Player: | dCS P8i | | My Turn Table: | LP12 (in bedroom) | | My Amp/s: | Accuphase E307 | | My Speakers: | Focal Diva Utopia Be |
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Posted: Tue Jan 30th, 2007 06:07 pm |
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| I don't know if I can be bothered to do the second half of my write up. I keep listening to music and thinking about those bottles of beer in the fridge.
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