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    I quite like this actually. Like a poor mans Densen which isn't necessaily a bad thing. What say you?


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    Neilb wrote:
    I quite like this actually. Like a poor mans Densen which isn't necessaily a bad thing. What say you?

    How much ?

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    Without actually hearing it hard to say, though I would say it looks like a thinly veiled attempt to regain a little respect by mirroring the aesthetic design of older and more well respected products of old....
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    Horrid.

    The pokey little screens ruin the look,and the tiny buttons look crap compared to the old rotary knobs.I had an B200 MF amp once-that was cool,these are pants,appearance wise anyway.

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    Davewhityetagain wrote:
    Neilb wrote:
    I quite like this actually. Like a poor mans Densen which isn't necessaily a bad thing. What say you?

    How much ?
    Not sure Dave. I'm guessing they're both the same price (a grand each?) judging on how they price thr rest of their products.
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    I really dislike the CD door, it looks cheap and as if they've engineered it down to a price. It feels to me as if they've tried to create a retro 80s feel to it but all they've made it do is look 80s. Fire up the Chevette.

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    For those of you over a certain age here is the reference - you'll see the resemblence to this cd player immediately. Note the square bonnet lid and the bumper. Clearly the designer at MF must have owned one of these as a youngster.

    So, in conclusion a fast Chevette but a Chevette none the less.

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    Give it 6 months and they'll be down to £400 the pair

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    Its odd that this comes so soon after many forums (including this one) have been extoling the virtues of the old A100 amps.

    That said, if it sounds as good as the old A100 then fair play. I wanna wanna wanna!

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    If they do the CD Player for the same price as the amp it will be a real bargin if it as seems to be fitted with the pro2 Mech at £999 I would buy the cd player

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    how to lose respect:

    1) Start making all your high end products 'Limited Edition'
    2) Sell off excess stock of said 'Limited Edition' [arf] products dead cheap to kill s/h prices
    3) Release a new model every few months to further shaft your early adopters on the s/h market
    4) Make outrageous claims about power requirements for hi-fidelity
    5) When said outrageous claim doesn't have desired effect on sales, back track by releasing a low output 'Class A' amplifier from the old days
    6) Make said old product look like a POS
    7) Relax at a job well done

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    Biscuit wrote:
    how to lose respect:

    1) Start making all your high end products 'Limited Edition'
    2) Sell off excess stock of said 'Limited Edition' [arf] products dead cheap to kill s/h prices
    3) Release a new model every few months to further shaft your early adopters on the s/h market
    4) Make outrageous claims about power requirements for hi-fidelity
    5) When said outrageous claim doesn't have desired effect on sales, back track by releasing a low output 'Class A' amplifier from the old days
    6) Make said old product look like a POS
    7) Relax at a job well done
    Spot on,

    ohand "poor man's Densen", really???

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    jagdesign wrote:
    Biscuit wrote:
    how to lose respect:

    1) Start making all your high end products 'Limited Edition'
    2) Sell off excess stock of said 'Limited Edition' [arf] products dead cheap to kill s/h prices
    3) Release a new model every few months to further shaft your early adopters on the s/h market
    4) Make outrageous claims about power requirements for hi-fidelity
    5) When said outrageous claim doesn't have desired effect on sales, back track by releasing a low output 'Class A' amplifier from the old days
    6) Make said old product look like a POS
    7) Relax at a job well done
    Spot on,

    ohand "poor man's Densen", really???
    Maybe not so poor judging from the price Dave discovered. It was the brushed finish and the black case work aesthetic that reminded me of Densen.

    For that price just buy a Densen. Give me a slightly used B400xs any day!!

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    Neilb wrote:
    jagdesign wrote:
    Biscuit wrote:
    how to lose respect:

    1) Start making all your high end products 'Limited Edition'
    2) Sell off excess stock of said 'Limited Edition' [arf] products dead cheap to kill s/h prices
    3) Release a new model every few months to further shaft your early adopters on the s/h market
    4) Make outrageous claims about power requirements for hi-fidelity
    5) When said outrageous claim doesn't have desired effect on sales, back track by releasing a low output 'Class A' amplifier from the old days
    6) Make said old product look like a POS
    7) Relax at a job well done
    Spot on,

    ohand "poor man's Densen", really???
    Maybe not so poor judging from the price Dave discovered. It was the brushed finish and the black case work aesthetic that reminded me of Densen.

    For that price just buy a Densen. Give me a slightly used B400xs any day!!
    What transport has a Densen ?

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    Biscuit wrote:
    how to lose respect:

    1) Start making all your high end products 'Limited Edition'
    2) Sell off excess stock of said 'Limited Edition' [arf] products dead cheap to kill s/h prices
    3) Release a new model every few months to further shaft your early adopters on the s/h market
    4) Make outrageous claims about power requirements for hi-fidelity
    5) When said outrageous claim doesn't have desired effect on sales, back track by releasing a low output 'Class A' amplifier from the old days
    6) Make said old product look like a POS
    7) Relax at a job well done
    I have full respect for that!

    I mean most people do know that MF do all of above but they are still top 5 of most popular hifi brand in the world imo. Great marketing manager
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    In fairness to Musical Fidelity, only inveterate box swappers are going to be affected by their policy of continuous product renewal - most purchasers will hang onto their amp or CDP for 5-10 years or more. MF are just keeping up with the pace of things e.g. the A5.5 integrated amp with built in DAC.

    Epos are dumping speakers as I type.

    No-one seems to mind that Cambridge Audio release revised versions of their products every 12-18 months or so - I'm very strongly considering an 840C to use as a CDP and DAC, but I am wary that a V2 might be around the corner very soon so will probably hang on for another 6 months.

    No-one complains that the price of CDs are falling - it is afterall virtually a legacy format

    Personally speaking, the resale value of my A3.5 amp has probably taken a big hit given the nature of MF's stock dumping policy - but considering that I used my previous integrated for 22 years it's not something that I'm going to worry about quite yet ;). However, I've gained significantly by managing to pick up a new X-LPSv3 for £129 (rrp £250) and new X-PREv3 for £219 (rrp £800) as I slowly build a second system and add to my existing one.

    If anything, MF can be commended for revealing and highlighting the real worth of hifi gear. Afterall, if I can buy an £800 component for £219 and MF and the dealer are still making a profit, how much were their profits on the original RRP?

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    ultrawomble wrote:
    I'm very strongly considering an 840C to use as a CDP and DAC, but I am wary that a V2 might be around the corner very soon so will probably hang on for another 6 months.
    Off topic, there isn't. The normal lifespan of our products 18-24 months and the 840C has at least another 12 months. The 840A got changed in less time than that for one off reasons.
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    Tons of Fun wrote:
    ultrawomble wrote:
    I'm very strongly considering an 840C to use as a CDP and DAC, but I am wary that a V2 might be around the corner very soon so will probably hang on for another 6 months.
    Off topic, there isn't. The normal lifespan of our products 18-24 months and the 840C has at least another 12 months. The 840A got changed in less time than that for one off reasons.
    Many thanks for the info ToF - much appreciated.

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