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    rag wrote:
    Bugger, I dumped a pair of ESL 57s into landfill 13 years ago along with a Quad amp, ERA turntable, SME arm and hundreds of LPs. Thought they were worthless back then. Wish I'd stored it all now
    Ooo - damn shame.

    Heh heh - had you tried the 57s with a different amp you might have been quite surprised! ..... as well as is certainly available from these speakers.Real dynamics & clout. My 'little' Krell KSA50 amp has great synergy with them.

    ERA tt & SME (3009 no doubt!?) - I had that pairing way back then. Nice. I seem to recall lining the thin metal plinth with bitumen pads - I was crazy back then, too.

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    ADPully wrote:
    Are you using a passive preamp? I once heard a KSA100 with a AS veshay passive and a pair of maggies belongingto an old boss of mine - twas marvellous.

    Andy
    Hi Andy

    Well .... I'm using an Audio Synthesis DAX Decade which is a DAC with an excellent passive pre-amp on board.

    But the system sounds even better if I route that through a valve pre-amp! Currently using an EAR 802, but my previous YS Symphonies valve pre was also excellent.

    I know it's another (and seemingly superfluous) component in the audio chain, but it sure works for me .... kind of puts tonal flesh on the bones and makes the soundstage open up in depth!

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    The saga continues ....

    Until this evening I have (stupidly) been assuming that the 57s are better firing straight at me.

    Dumbo! - they only really beam badly vertically, not horizontally.
    They sound soooo much better now that I've got them firing a little way behind me!

    Have also swapped out my KK Avenger interconnect cables for some Gordon Sinclair string-specials (solid core silver conductors spiralled around a string core). A little less tonal warmth, but better imaging precision & clarity.

    Yup, still pleased with these speakers, and I've had them weeks now!

    This little esl-pointing escapade has got me curious about experimenting with stands again ....

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    Oops! I am a fickle hifi tart

    I've been getting just a little impatient with my Quad 57sover the last few days- got the sound sussed, very nice but where to next? .... ;)

    Back to my old John Bowers Active One speakers appears to be the answer.

    Only dug them out and set them up last night, but I am once again hugely impressed by their sound. More tightly focussed and certainly more dynamic and controlled than the Quads (excellent though the 57s are).

    I have a set of Goertz M1 speaker cables on the way (courtesy of Wammer Martha's Dad), said to be great with Krell amps like my KSA50, butwhich are of course totally unnecessary/useless with active speakers ... but I'll dig the 57s out when the Goertz arrives to see how they get on together.

    All good fun, huh?!

    Here's a pic of one of my newly re-installed active speakers - with a pile of totally unneeded poweramplification behind it!

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    JANDL100 wrote:
    Oops!** I am a fickle hifi tart

    At least you haven't bought any more.

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    Oh dear !! I once had the John Bowers Active - their cones had the "quacking" coloration which is a no-no nowadays, you're probably too young to remember this problem
    Hans

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    Togil wrote:
    Oh dear !! I once had the John Bowers Active - their cones had the "quacking" coloration which is a no-no nowadays, you're probably too young to remember this problem
    Quacking? I must be too young toremember it and too old to hear it! They sound fantasticto me. .... and I've heard a few speakers in my time. ;)

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    stop feking about, stacked 57's is what you want
    Music is a colourfull outburst of the soul, Can I use the colours I choose, Do I have some say what you use, Can I get some greens with my blues?

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    Jerry

    One for the future a ksa 50 will work very well with a ARC pre. I used them both with my audio synthesis dax2.

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    dudywoxer wrote:
    stop feking about, stacked 57's is what you want
    Yes, the idea is tempting!

    .... I keep my eye on the speaker listings and I may well succumb to a 2nd pair at the right price.

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    beckypumps wrote:
    Jerry

    One for the future a ksa 50 will work very well with a ARC pre.
    Yup, I can imagine it would be good - my EAR 802 pre works a treat too.

    Which ARC model did you use?

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    JANDL100 wrote:
    Togil wrote:
    Oh dear !! I once had the John Bowers Active - their cones had the "quacking" coloration which is a no-no nowadays, you're probably too young to remember this problem
    Quacking? I must be too young toremember it and too old to hear it! They sound fantasticto me. .... and I've heard a few speakers in my time. ;)
    That problem was due to Bextrene cones, probably. Geoffrey Horn ( Gramophone reviewer and shop owner in Oxford) liked them, Subjective Audio, the leading hifi shop in London at the time, sold them but thought they had a poor soundstage.
    They certainly played loud music cleanly as active speakers should. Percussion eg was very impressive
    Hans

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    Togil wrote:
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    Togil wrote:
    Oh dear !! I once had the John Bowers Active - their cones had the "quacking" coloration which is a no-no nowadays, you're probably too young to remember this problem
    Quacking? I must be too young toremember it and too old to hear it! They sound fantasticto me. .... and I've heard a few speakers in my time. ;)
    That problem was due to Bextrene cones, probably. Geoffrey Horn ( Gramophone reviewer and shop owner in Oxford) liked them, Subjective Audio, the leading hifi shop in London at the time, sold them but thought they had a poor soundstage.
    They certainly played loud music cleanly as active speakers should. Percussion eg was very impressive
    Fair enough. Times change though, and the CDPs and pre-amps that are now widely available are leaps and bounds ahead of what was available 25 years ago.(I was27 then, and well into thehifi thing ;)). I do wonder if the "quack" was just the speakers letting thru problems created earlier in the system information supply chain.

    I hear no quacking colouration now - the tonal neutrality is grin-inducing for me, a classical music fan -and the soundstage is very fine indeed. Don't forget that I have the 57s to directly compare them with!

    I honestly don't think I have heard a better speaker in my home than the Bowers Actives .... and I could give you a long list of speakers that I've owned, many of exemplary pedigree.


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    They are certainly much better than the active Meridian M 20 which had far worse coloration, I remember comparing them in Horns at the time.

    I was using a Sony 555 with variable output at the time, btw
    Hans

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    Togil wrote:
    They are certainly much better than the active Meridian M 20 which had far worse coloration, I remember comparing them in Horns at the time.

    I was using a Sony 555 with variable output at the time, btw
    Yup, that could explain it. If you could hear the variable output from that machine now, you would I think be more than a little shocked. Way behind the capability of the speakers. Honestly. I used to have a Sony 555 cdp.

    Even the fixed output is warm & cuddly & coloured. Quack, quack?

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    JANDL100 wrote:
    Togil wrote:
    They are certainly much better than the active Meridian M 20 which had far worse coloration, I remember comparing them in Horns at the time.

    I was using a Sony 555 with variable output at the time, btw
    Yup, that could explain it. If you could hear the variable output from that machine now, you would I think be more than a little shocked. Way behind the capability of the speakers. Honestly. I used to have a Sony 555 cdp.

    Even the fixed output is warm & cuddly & coloured. Quack, quack?
    but when I changed to ESL63s with Tandberg power amp the quacking disappeared...
    Hans

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    I think that we will have to agree to differ.

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    Sure !

    Actually my long interconnects could have been part of the problem , can't even remember what they were. Btw, do the Active 1s have a balanced input ?
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    Togil wrote:
    Btw, do the Active 1s have a balanced input ?
    Yes, but I've never tried them. According to the Book of Words you need to make a small internal wiring change to make them work.

    You're in Oxford? .... if you're ever over in the Forest of Dean (that's not so many miles away from you)you are welcome to pop in and see if you think the Activessound duck-like in my system!

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    JANDL100 wrote:

    You're in Oxford? .... if you're ever over in the Forest of Dean (that's not so many miles away from you)you are welcome to pop in and see if you think the Activessound duck-like in my system!
    Oh thanks, a beautiful part of England ! My wife will make me look at cottages for retirement then !
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