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    I'm not really happy with the two recordings I have, and I want to buy a good one.

    Any personal favourites? And why?
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    because its brilliant and beautiful and very moving. It uses the same instrumental forces that are known to have been available to the somewhat poverty-stricken monastery who commisioned the piece. The singing is excellent, and the so is the orchestra (only about 12-13 players IIRC).

    To add to that, the Scarlatti setting that shares the disc is also a masterpiece, the Pergolesi version was commissioned by same monks as a replacement for the "old-fashioned" Scarlatti which was about 30 years old by then.

    TBH I haven't heard all that many versions, but if any others get to the heart of this music in such a direct and appealing way i'd be amazed. Of the ones I've heard, Les Talens Lyrique on Decca with Christophe Rousset conducting Andreas Scholl and Barbara Bonney is a much bigger less intimate perfromance, very show-offy and corporate, kind of how it might have sounded when it became celebrated around Europe and was being performed in Versailles by (by the standards of the day) huge ensembles. Nice, but not the real thing IMO.

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    Thanks , Alan.

    Just looked on Amazon.uk .... they have the Alessandrini with Concerto Italiano - but coupled with the Vivaldi Stabat Mater not the Scarlatti... ? Did Alessandrini re-record it, I wonder? Or just a re-shuffled re-issue? AMAZON_LINK. They have the issue that you mention, too.

    I must confess thatone ofmy existing versionsis with 'period' forces (Rene Jacobs) and that may be part of the trouble. I normally enjoy such things, but maybe I'm looking for a more operatic approach in this music, a bit plusher and less sparse. Abbado on DG, maybe - highly rated in the Penguin Guide.

    A couple of rave user reviews on Amazon for Hogwood/Kirkby .... but I suspect Kirkby's usual ethereal coolness is not what I am looking for here.

    I have a DVD of Leslie Garrett performing the 1st mvt, and that is quite lovely! Whodathawtit?

    The search continues .... I wonder what the 2 versions on Naxosare like? ....

    Aha ... from an Amazon review of the latest Naxos CD ..."This new version features the British Counter Tenor Michael Chance and the German male Soprano (or Sopranist)Jorg Waschinski. What we therefore get is closer to the orginal performance and sound of Pergolesi's times"
    Not for me then, I think!

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    I think they must have re-issued it... I have the same Vivaldi recordings on a different disc.
    Shame, because the Scarlatti is the perfect partner.

    P.S. the other recording I have has Kathleen Ferrier, and some big orchestra conducted by Malcolm Sargeant.... featuring a lot of hisre-orchestration. Its horrible, but a real museum piece all the same.

    Well, get the Abbado version and tell us all about it.... but to my ears,this kind of music just sounds wrong with modern instruments.



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    Jerry, musicbox's suggestion here:
    http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//OP30441.htm
    http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//OP30406.htm
    I have two versions, one because of its connection with my daughter's school:
    http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//LAMM184D.htm; and
    http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//CDA66294.htm
    and have wondered what this one would be like, given other recordings by the choir and conductor I have enjoyed:
    http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//4661342.htm

    Most of these tend to the modest and "authentic" rather than larger-scale versions.
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    Abbado's LSO version has served me nicely these years, but Musicbox's persuasive recommendation of the Alessandrini has me putting it on my wishlist. Such minimalist forces - it could be a very authentic performance awash in sparse atmospheric beauty - so rapt the listener can even hear church mice scurrying away in the corner?

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    SSM wrote:
    Such minimalist forces - it could be a very authentic performance awash in sparse atmospheric beauty -
    Spot on... but no church mice!

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    Well, personally the Rousset has served me very nicely, a sort of period and operatic mix which doesn't starve it of feeling but is in good taste (IMO). Choice of soloists in very personal but there's no denying Bonney and Scholl's quality, and the accompaniment is outstanding.

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    Scholl That reminds me: I need to go shopping tomorrow for a good pair of sandals. My current pair is giving me footache.

    Thanks Pianoman. How much more useful can this site get?

    Barbara Bonney also does sacred music? For me, she'll always be Gretel on Tate's Hansel und Gretel set.


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    Ditto, pianoman, for confirming that version should be on my list.
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    SSM wrote:
    For me, she'll always be Gretel on Tate's Hansel und Gretel set.


    SS

    Ah, now that is a lovely set, with Tate's pacing virtually ideal and excellent casting. BTW, have you heard the recent Mackerras H and G in English, a real ear-opener, (and I'm not generally a fan of opera in English) ?

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    because its brilliant and beautiful and very moving.

    OK, folks, you've nagged me into it. I've bought this one - £5.33 delivered thanks to Amazon Market Place

    Only mine looks like this ..... same recording. I'll still keep an eye out for a cheap copy of the Abbado,though ....
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    Well,I have only one recording of this work, but I've never felt the need to look any further than this one:

    http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/al.asp?al=CDA66294

    The link gives you some sound samples.I recommend giving them a listen.

    Fabulous.

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    Pianoman wrote:
    SSM wrote:
    For me, she'll always be Gretel on Tate's Hansel und Gretel set.

    SS
    Ah, now that is a lovely set, with Tate's pacing virtually ideal and excellent casting. BTW, have you heard the recent Mackerras H and G in English, a real ear-opener, (and I'm not generally a fan of opera in English) ?
    (How did I miss this post? Sorry...)


    No, haven't heard the Mackerras Hansel. I'm a bit adverse to opera sung in English. Most sound end up sounding like Gilbert and Sullivan (hint: never try any English Verdi)



    ^ love the cover. It's very Luhrmann Moulin Rouge-esque. I'll save this one for when I'm feeling flush.

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    So many to chose from. My favorite is on Decca 436209-2.

    June Anderson and Cecilia Bartoli are really a well matched pair alone and in unison. Beautiful but never overdone.
    Charles Dutoit is in charge of Sinfonetta De Montreal.

    cheers

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    JANDL100 wrote:
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    because its brilliant and beautiful and very moving.

    OK, folks, you've nagged me into it. I've bought this one - £5.33 delivered thanks to Amazon Market Place

    Only mine looks like this ..... same recording. I'll still keep an eye out for a cheap copy of the Abbado,though ....
    This Alessandrini CD was waiting for me on my return from holiday ....

    ..... absolutely fabulous!

    Thanks for the reccy, folks.
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    told you so.

    Have you tried the Scarlatti yet? or was that not on the version you got?

    I listened again to the Bonney/Scholl/Rousset/Les Talens Lyrique versiona few nights ago. It confirmed my problem with it... the voices are bigger than the ensemble and so it becomes a star vehicle, and unnatural. Whereas Alessandrini and colleagues are totally believable and totally moving.

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    Yup, mine has the Scarlatti, too. I'm not familiar with it, though, so will take a few more listens to enter its sound world.

    I couldn't believe how perfect the Pergolesi was ..... that opening, not rushed at all .... simply spine-tingling. And as you say, the solo voices set realistically within the overall acoustic. Just perfect.
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    I would like to offer another version for consideration. it is beautifully packaged in a bi-fold (non plastic jewel box) with great artwork. The recording is directed by Oliver Schneebeli. on the Alpha label with Pitrizia Bovi, soprano/ Pino De Vittorio, tenor/ Bernard Arrieta/ tenor.and Les Pages & Les Chantres La Chapelle. Check this out ,it is a very moving recording.

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    scottj wrote:
    I would like to offer another version for consideration. it is beautifully packaged in a bi-fold (non plastic jewel box) with great artwork. The recording is directed by Oliver Schneebeli. on the Alpha label with Pitrizia Bovi, soprano/ Pino De Vittorio, tenor/ Bernard Arrieta/ tenor.and Les Pages & Les Chantres La Chapelle. Check this out ,it is a very moving recording.
    Hmmm... nice cover art. All the names of the performers are unknown to me, but I will chance it since one can never have enough moving SMs.

    (can any recording of Pergolesi's masterpiece fail to move, for that matter?)

    Welcome to the Cabin.:sorry:

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