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    Is there any brand you just cant work out... ? its never going to get on your dem list come hell or high water.... others might like it, but and you might not even know why.... just can't stand it.

    Even if offered free you would only take it....... to sell on.

    In my case its Cyrus would never buy it, not even sure what I think of its sound, just not my cup of tea .... I am not sure why



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    Focal
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    MF

    There is some basis in experience and logical reason in the above choices but most of it is based on blind bigotry

    (Oh and Cyrus as well especially if partnered with MA)
    "We could have saved the Earth but we were too damned cheap" Kurt Vonnegut

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    Tel wrote:
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    There is some basis for in experience and logical reason in the above choices but most of it is based on blind bigotry

    (Oh and Cyrus as well especially if partnered with MA)
    I was only thinking of kit, as the list of speakers I would never even dem is much longer you only need to see a speaker to hate it

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    I can honestly say that although wouldn't buy new MF again (though this is a little unfair as I prolly wouldn't buy anything new again), I'd buy with my ears! So if it sounded right, then it is right.

    I don't really care about Company policy as this only really affects new purchasers, and certainly some kit wouldn't be bought if it looks truly awful, but then again I bought a Berning, hardly wife, friend or furniture friendly!

    Tis really down to how it sounds in my room, with my equipment....
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    Arcam. Never like the look of it and got it into my head that it sounds soft and fuzzy.

    Can't shake it off
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    edfits wrote:
    Is there any brand you just cant work out... ? its never going to get on your dem list come hell or high water.... others might like it, but and you might not even know why.... just can't stand it.

    Even if offered free you would only take it....... to sell on.

    In my case its Cyrus would never buy it, not even sure what I think of its sound, just not my cup of tea .... I am not sure why

    in the case of Cyrus, i think it's as much the half size boxes; personally i don't have a problem with their sound presentation, it's just that look...

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    How could I forget the biggest one of all!


    Naim


    All it took was a Naim dealership salesman to answer an innocent question with...

    'Naim make the best hifi in the world and they don't do that, so it can't have any value'

    (together with a smug patronising smile)

    Although I have auditioned one of their CD players since, in attempt to convince myself that I was still open minded, I failed miserably.

    Naim are on my 'I wouldn't even touch it with yours' list

    (Plus I have a thing about Power Supplies)
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    I've owned Linn, naim and Cyrus. I wouldn't go for any of these brands again.

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    In my case, the brand that gives me the heaves is Audio Note. Can't stand anything about it. For me everything is wrong, the concept, the sound, the build quality,the lack of engineeringand especially the price. As to Peter Q, least said.....

    I went to their Paris showroom a few yearsago as theyhad advertised 30,000 LPs for sale. When I gotthere, they hada few hundred, and most weren't forsale. Listened to their reference system, and it was singularly the most unpleasant thing I've heard. The price of a house and Horrible......

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    uh yeah

    pretty much 95 percent of what stereophile advertises.

    overpriced audio jewelry for those possessing of more money than sense.

    continuum, shunyata, shakti, machina dynamica...wilson audio labs, nordost, MIT, siltech, virtual dynamics...transparent cable...naim, darTzeel


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    Tel wrote:
    Focal
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    There is some basis in experience and logical reason in the above choices but most of it is based on blind bigotry

    (Oh and Cyrus as well especially if partnered with MA)
    yeah, the focal and MF brigade again...

    and you probably haven't even heard them...
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    In my case, the brand that gives me the heaves is Audio Note. Can't stand anything about it. For me everything is wrong, the concept, the sound, the build quality,the lack of engineeringand especially the price. As to Peter Q, least said.....

    I went to their Paris showroom a few yearsago as theyhad advertised 30,000 LPs for sale. When I gotthere, they hada few hundred, and most weren't forsale. Listened to their reference system, and it was singularly the most unpleasant thing I've heard. The price of a house and Horrible......

    S.
    Peresonally the UK Audio Note stuff I believe isa big con. The build quality is shocking for the price. If it was Chinese, everybody would say that it's proof that all Chinese stuff is crap. The system I heard was soft and squidgy and cost at least £100K, OK, but if you want soft and squidgy, you can do it for £400.

    Peter Q, what a conman.

    Oh.. companies I hate;

    Art Audio - how do they justify their pricing (sorry guy's I know a lot of you use it)?

    Absolute Sounds - take a product and triple it's price and then double it again

    Linn - How can the LP12 be so expensive now, why pay £10K for one, when a second hand £600 one is better?

    47 Labs - Totally irrational, but how can they charge so much for cheap crap

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    Tel wrote:
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    There is some basis for in experience and logical reason in the above choices but most of it is based on blind bigotry

    (Oh and Cyrus as well especially if partnered with MA)
    I was only thinking of kit, as the list of speakers I would never even dem is much longer you only need to see a speaker to hate it
    Totally agree with Focal, how can people live in the same house with Focal inverted tweeters. It's faily obvious to me that they must be deaf above 5K Hz.

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    Cyrus, Focal, Arcam, Cambridge, Mordaunt-Short, Wharfedale, Pioneer, Art, B&W.....the list goes on

    All of which i have either owned or demoed & hated

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    Tel wrote:
    Focal
    MA
    MF

    There is some basis in experience and logical reason in the above choices but most of it is based on blind bigotry

    (Oh and Cyrus as well especially if partnered with MA)
    yeah, the focal and MF brigade again...

    and you probably haven't even heard them...

    and thats part of ther point of my post stuff you cant even dem its so bad (to you)


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    ncdrawl wrote:
    uh yeah

    pretty much 95 percent of what stereophile advertises.

    overpriced audio jewelry for those possessing of more money than sense.

    continuum, shunyata, shakti, machina dynamica...wilson audio labs, nordost, MIT, siltech, virtual dynamics...transparent cable...naim, darTzeel

    ncdrawl, you would really hate me then; Transparent & MIT cables, shakti stones and I still want a pair of Wilson Watt/Puppy 6's some day. Agree with Continuum & Shunyata though, don't see what all the fuss is about.

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    Gotta be Naim for me.
    I've heard a lot of their kit and the presentation just fails to deliver what I want.
    It is well built, nicely styled and offers superb residuals though.
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    Mr Cat wrote:
    Tel wrote:
    Focal
    MA
    MF

    There is some basis in experience and logical reason in the above choices but most of it is based on blind bigotry


    (Oh and Cyrus as well especially if partnered with MA)
    yeah, the focal and MF brigade again...

    and you probably haven't even heard them...
    So what part of the bit in red was difficult to understand?

    Of course I have heard both but the wonderful part of being a consumer is that I don't have to justify anything, especially on a thread like this which is all about irrational choices.

    Let's just say I have a phobia about those brands, if I could convince say Injector that there were spiders inside the case work of those brands he would never buy them either!

    (My apologies Injector if it isn't you who has a thing about spiders!)
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    Mr Cat wrote:
    Tel wrote:
    Focal
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    MF

    There is some basis in experience and logical reason in the above choices but most of it is based on blind bigotry

    (Oh and Cyrus as well especially if partnered with MA)
    yeah, the focal and MF brigade again...

    and you probably haven't even heard them...
    I've demo`d MF kit a number of times now: still never bought any, but have come close.

    These days the marketing & publicity antics put me off completely...

    The same is true of Naim with their "my way or the highway" approach, as well as those feckin` horrible speakers.

    Can't get away with B&W either...dunno what it is, just never did like their sound, or looks for that matter...

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    Nothing . Never close your eyes or your ears. Sure some brands seem to have a certain sound that grates but these can and do change .
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