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    Is it a coincidence that now he is getting regular games, Andy Carroll has started scoring regularly ? Possibly not......

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    He's only scored two games running, and I'm not sure he knew a lot about the one against Everton (having missed a sitter earlier on), so lets not get carried away.
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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...me-player.html

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    He must of forgot the near own headed goal against blackburn the week before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unclepuncle View Post
    He's only scored two games running, and I'm not sure he knew a lot about the one against Everton (having missed a sitter earlier on), so lets not get carried away.
    Not getting carried away, but as usual, the point eludes you.... Give the guy games, he will start to get goals which seems to be what is happening. He was getting in all the right positions, if his finishing was rather wayward. He will get there as long as he is given the opportunity in a settled side.

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    I'm still far from convinced about the entire Liverpool team and management - even an FA Cup win (unlikely as that is) won't change that.

    Certainly can't see us challenging for the Premiership next season without monumental changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unclepuncle View Post
    I'm still far from convinced about the entire Liverpool team and management - even an FA Cup win (unlikely as that is) won't change that.

    Certainly can't see us challenging for the Premiership next season without monumental changes.
    Paul, I keep telling you, and will keep telling you until it registers, these things take time - several seasons, not a season and a bit. I also wouldn't expect Liverpool to be challenging either of the Manchester clubs just yet. Next season a reasonable expectation would be a significantly improved league position - top six at least. If you win the FA Cup, you will have won two out of the three competitions you will have entered - most clubs would love that, the vast majority would be well pleased with winning one and a major final. Even Kenny Dalglish says you are a work in progress and not to get carried away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcook View Post
    Even Kenny Dalglish says you are a work in progress and not to get carried away.
    The only way I'll being getting carried away is in wooden box.
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    these things take time - several seasons,
    The counter to that is, how long do you wait before you accept a manager is not up to the job? Abramovich is taking this to the ridiculous extreme, but you need to cut and run at some point.
    Some decision sof KD are plain weird - one having already been mentioned: buying Carroll for a whacking great big record of 35million then not playing him in a team to take advantage of his abilities. A guy who scores for fun at Newcastle suddenly bottoms out and is ridiculed by the fans? Downing was one of the leading assists in the Premier... then he went to Liverpool. Oh, dear.
    'Bedding in' is one thing, but to manage a squad in a way that yields a team that many accept is far less than the sum of its parts is a real worry on KD's abilities in the modern game.

    It is either team management or man management and on both counts KD is being given a luxury that virtually no Liverpool fan gave to Woy.


    So - how long are you willing to wait?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikehit View Post
    'Bedding in' is one thing, but to manage a squad in a way that yields a team that many accept is far less than the sum of its parts is a real worry on KD's abilities in the modern game.

    It is either team management or man management and on both counts KD is being given a luxury that virtually no Liverpool fan gave to Woy.
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    Using Roy Hodgson to prove your point, doesn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by browellm View Post
    Using Roy Hodgson to prove your point, doesn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by browellm View Post
    Using Roy Hodgson to prove your point, doesn't.
    Maybe not, but I wonder if 'saint kenny' has done much better than Woy would have done? I am talking here about managerial ability, not the chemistry (or lack of) with the Liverpool fans. Woy was hated before he even joined and I don't think anything less than winning the league would have changed that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikehit View Post
    Maybe not, but I wonder if 'saint kenny' has done much better than Woy would have done? I am talking here about managerial ability, not the chemistry (or lack of) with the Liverpool fans. Woy was hated before he even joined and I don't think anything less than winning the league would have changed that.
    Now I'm not sure if you're just trollin' me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by browellm View Post
    'kin Hell Mark, rolling back the years there aren't you. You missed out Newcastle - Fuck All. Howard Kendall was a great manager in those days.

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    He's just won a cup and got to the final of the other y'tits!

    And thanks for proving my point BB. Look how long he was at Newcastle for
    Newcastle United 14 January 1997 27 August 1998

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    In January 1997 Dalglish was appointed manager of Premier League side Newcastle United on a three-and-a-half-year contract, taking over from Kevin Keegan. Dalglish guided the club from fourth position to a runner-up spot in May and a place in the new format of the following season's UEFA Champions League. However, the 1997–98 campaign saw Newcastle finish in only 13th place and, despite Dalglish achieving some notable successes during the season (including a 3–2 UEFA Champions League win over Barcelona and an FA Cup final appearance against Arsenal), he was sacked by Freddie Shepherd after two draws in the opening two games of the subsequent 1998–1999 season, and replaced by former Chelsea manager Ruud Gullit.[42] One commentator has since written, "His 20 months at Newcastle United are the only part of Kenny Dalglish's career that came anywhere near failure"


    David Moyes would kill for a season like that.
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    I mean, is that the sort of debate that fans of other clubs have about Liverpool, "Who's a better manager, Roy Hodgson or Kenny Dalglish?"

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    I agree Roy Hodgson was a disaster and KD is doing a better job, but KD's track record from the late 80's is pretty irellevent to today. Two cup finals is good going, I agree, but no matter how Stevie G dresses it up, it is the league that matters (to the owners and fans) and next season they have to step it up or else the pressure is going to be on KD sharpish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by browellm View Post
    I mean, is that the sort of debate that fans of other clubs have about Liverpool, "Who's a better manager, Roy Hodgson or Kenny Dalglish?"

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    I admit I am yankin' yer chain regards Roy but I have been very disappointed with Kenny's returns since taking over - and the cynic in me has been smiling wryly at al the acolytes who talked as though bringing Kenny in would magically turn things around. Maybe now the fans have a more realistic view of what is going to be needed.
    Don't get me wrong - I would love for the Premier League to have at least 6 teams vying for 4 CL spots rather than 'Big 4 plus the 2 whoever happen to turn up'. Maybe Kenny is out of touch and needs to get used to the demands of modern football as much as the team needs to gel the way he wants.

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    I just think people should accept it's his first full season, and not to expect unicorns. The guy's on the point of winning two cups.

    Mr. Mancini has had 250m in transfer kitty, 200k/w wages and CL football to offer his new recruits and it doesn't look like he's going to win the league either. No doubt he'll be sacked at the end of the season (wrongly, imo).
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