Liverpool - oh dear...

[browellm]

That went well, I thought.

[unclepuncle]

Two straight defeats to nil was a limp end to a season which highlighted just how far behind we have fallen. Even in a year where almost all the other top clubs had poor or indifferent seasons we were still well behind. Sure things got a bit better once 'Woy' was sacked but there is still a very long way to go to get anywhere near the champion league places.

Suarez looks a decent enough signing, but I'm not sure spending £35 million on Andy Carroll was the best use of resources

With Gerrard way past his best we need a decent central midfielder or two (will Charlie Admas still want to come to Anfield or rather go to one of the Champion League clubs?). We also need at least 3 decent defenders and better quality wide players (Ashley Young and Staurt Downing have been mentioned, though I expect Young will cost too much and would rather go to a Champions League team).

As I have said repeatedly, and I appear to be the only one, I don't have any great belief in Kenny's long term managerial ability so it will be interesting to see how things pan out.

This was one occassion when I'd have been very happy to be proved wrong but as usual I seem to have been absolutley on the button

If the Yanks wish to employ me to help sort out the mess I'm still available.

[unclepuncle]

Don't worry chelsea up at 4 o clock.

Would be extremely pleased with a draw but i fear 3 or 4-1.

Got a feeling Torres and Miereles will both have blinders just to rub it in to us LFC fans

[Matt J]

If the Yanks wish to employ me to help sort out the mess I'm still available.

Are you Roy Hodgson?

Kenny's spent all the cash, you'd be left with mission impossible

Anyway, it's unlike him to sell talented foreigners and buy expensive (mediocre) British players, oh wait...

[Brown Bottle]

Bit of a reality check for you scoucers. Unlucky against Stoke, piss poor against Spurs. Still a lack of strength in depth and it shows at the back. Can't see any reason to start pressing the panic button though.

Cheers BB

[It Cost How Much!?!]

Kenny will be there at least until the end of the season, as he truely has to massively fail for him to be sacked i.e. bottom 6 and the fans calling for his head. With this squad, it's looking like 7/8th this season.

His mistake was not buying 3 defenders in the summer, rather than a fat tall overpriced chav in January. Liverpool desperately needed 2 centre half's and a left back. They got a left back, who isn't that good. they still need midfield cover in the wide area.

He will do what he always does, when under pressure, buy more strikers.

[rcook]

Looks like they are missing Mereiles, Enrique is one of the better left backs in the Prem. Carroll needs to get his act together - Ledley King, who can barely walk kept him in check all match yesterday. Carroll has the ability as he has shown at Newcastle and very occasionally since his transfer, he needs to show it consistently or re-adjust his attitude.

[Jezzer]

Liverpool were as shit as Spurs were good. Yes, we were missing Meireles. We lacked creativity (amongst other things). Also, why did we start with Carroll? We should've started with Kuyt and Saurez.

Carroll was walking when he should've been running.

Liverpool are still very much a work in progress. Spurs, who obviously had a tough start to the season, are now showing their true potential as top four contenders.

[It Cost How Much!?!]

Spurs did have a difficult three of the first four matches (MUFC away, MCFC home, Liverpool home), I would expect them to be in the top 5 this season. Between Spuds and the Arse for 4th/5th I think. Whinger can't carry on getting it wrong.

[Toe rag]

Come on you SPURS

[browellm]

Kenny will be there at least until the end of the season, as he truely has to massively fail for him to be sacked i.e. bottom 6 and the fans calling for his head. With this squad, it's looking like 7/8th this season.

His mistake was not buying 3 defenders in the summer, rather than a fat tall overpriced chav in January. Liverpool desperately needed 2 centre half's and a left back. They got a left back, who isn't that good. they still need midfield cover in the wide area.

He will do what he always does, when under pressure, buy more strikers.

Bob, why do you comment so much on something you know so little about?

I can assure you that Kenny could finish in the bottom 3 and he wouldn't be sacked.

He bought Enrique and Coates and with Kelly (injured), Flannagan and Wilson coming from the reserves. Ask any neutral and they will tell you he is one of the best left backs in the Prem, and has been quality in every game we've played. We also tried to buy Clichy, but he preferred the wages and CL football at City.

The Carroll purchase I have explained at some length on here before. Overpriced, but his fee was set by the sale of Torres and Mike Ashley's demands.

[unclepuncle]

The Carroll purchase I have explained at some length on here before. Overpriced, but his fee was set by the sale of Torres and Mike Ashley's demands.

That explains the exhorbitant fee (lets say £15 million more than he was really worth) but dosen't explain why Kenny wanted him so badly in the first place - thats the burning question he will have to answer if Carroll dosen't start playing better?

I don't think the Yanks ever wanted to make Kenny full time manger - thats why they delayed it so long, but then when the clamour got so big they caved in. Once he was given the 3 year contract we immediately lost the last 2 games of the season and have started this season very shakily.

I can see a very dodgy night in store tomorrow at Brighton and then we have an absolutely 'must-win' game at home to Wolves (who don't forget put the final nail in Hodgson's coffin when winning at Anfield last year), followed by the derby match against Everton at Goodison and then Man Utd at Anfield. Will be interesting to see how 'untouchable' King Kenny is after that lot

[It Cost How Much!?!]

Bob, why do you comment so much on something you know so little about?

I can assure you that Kenny could finish in the bottom 3 and he wouldn't be sacked.

He bought Enrique and Coates and with Kelly (injured), Flannagan and Wilson coming from the reserves. Ask any neutral and they will tell you he is one of the best left backs in the Prem, and has been quality in every game we've played. We also tried to buy Clichy, but he preferred the wages and CL football at City.

The Carroll purchase I have explained at some length on here before. Overpriced, but his fee was set by the sale of Torres and Mike Ashley's demands.

'cos i work near the Peoples Republic of Scouseland and get it all day from the strange talking scousers. Strangely, your version differs from the scouse version.

Carroll is an interesting purchase, as he doesn't fit the style of play that they had last season, and having purchased a winger to put the ball at his head, he doesn't seem to fit it this season.

You do have some good young players from the very successful youth side, but have we seen them much this season after the strange purchase of Charlie Adam?

[johnny s]

You can't build a house without good foundations, once all the peices are put together annoying settlement cracks in the structure are inevitable.

Liverpool have a fantastic management foundation and the new signings are still settling in. If the new signings fail to perform or the cracks in the team performance widen, I'm sure repairs and replacements will be instigated.

No damning judgement on my behalf, I still reckon 2013/14 will be the telling season for the team and coaches - its only 2 years away. Even old 'red nose' was almost shown the door at Manu because of lack of instant success - look at them now.

[unclepuncle]

You can't build a house without good foundations, once all the peices are put together annoying settlement cracks in the structure are inevitable.

Liverpool have a fantastic management foundation and the new signings are still settling in. If the new signings fail to perform or the cracks in the team performance widen, I'm sure repairs and replacements will be instigated.

No damning judgement on my behalf, I still reckon 2013/14 will be the telling season for the team and coaches - its only 2 years away. Even old 'red nose' was almost shown the door at Manu because of lack of instant success - look at them now.

John Henry did state that Champions League qualification was a bare minimum requirement this season - maybe there is something in Kenny's contract about that?

[johnny s]

John Henry did state that Champions League qualification was a bare minimum requirement this season - maybe there is something in Kenny's contract about that?

Yes, I'd forgotten that nugget of fast food mentality. It would be a shame if what has been created was dismantled because of a lack of instant gratification. I am optimistic about Liverpool, but not this season, I hope that their performances improve and stabilise and show that they are heading in the right direction and with the right attitude.

Liverpool fans have always been hungry for success, equally they have always appreciated a good attitude, positive football, team spirit and club loyalty. If the team delivers, I would think the dismissal of Dalglish would be vey difficult to achieve.

[Chumpy]

I strongly suspect that Liver will finish in top 3 - e.g. behind the Manchester duo.

[johnny s]

What a harsh descision to send Evertons Jack Rodwell off the pitch in todays Derby. Cahills challenge shortly afterwards was a lot worse in severity and yet he pulled a yellow card.

If it had been against any of the teams above Liverpool I would have been sighing sighs of relief, not believing our good luck and over zealous refereeing. Not against Everton though, a very harsh descision - I really am sorry to all you Bluenoses.


Without the sending off ------------ we'd still have won, but fairly.

[Barney]

Thanks for the sympathetic comments John, its hard enough beating Liverpool but an early red card only meant one outcome.
Some of these refs should think of the fans and realize they are ruining the chance of a great game, if it was violent then ok but a very harsh decision.

[unclepuncle]

The sending off was a joke wasn't even a foul. Suarez made a right meal of it as well which is a shame, but I guess that most players would have done the same.

As John says at least one other Everton player should have been sent off for cutting Charlie Adams in two just before half-time. Before the sending off Everton were slightly on top so it's impossible to say what would have happened.