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    Reminds me of when I looked inside my power amps.
    Are you *still* looking at this shit?

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    Less is more and all that......
    BORED FUCKING SHITLESS !!!

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    LOL, thats crazy...did you read all the comments ?

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    You lot are always so critical of stuff. Antimatter has recently been isolated at CERN, but I rckon Naim go there first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by earlofsodbury View Post
    Funny how people judge audio by the size and number of the parts, and not the effect they have...

    Separating the power supply from sensitive audio circuits is worth doing.

    Whether it's worth the cost of the stupidly-named "Flatcap" is down solely to your ear, your budget and your priorities.

    Not a gaggle of ill-informed and technologically illiterate amateur opinionistas.
    I thought that was what this site was about, loads of folk spouting opinions about stuff they know only a little, or in my case bugger-all, about. I don't need to take an electronics degree to understand that what's in the box there hasn't taken a great deal of R and D and has more to do with fleecing ( no pun intended) those who buy into the Naim upgrade path. I agree people buy what they want according to their priorities, budgets and ears, but surely at the mid-fi-ish level that Naim represents imo, surely there has to be at least a certain degree of percieved value for money.

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    What's the big deal? It's a design thing surely isn't it - so this box matches the others that are probably more packed with components.

    SQ is the thing anyway.

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    now there's a shock , a hi fi company ripping people off. Who'da thunk it?

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    its a power supply nothing more so not really sure what else you would expect to find inside , naim used to do half sized boxes for there seperate power supplys so suppose the said components list would fill this out alot more but its not likely to perform any better !

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    I bet you could build better for half the price.....

    Do naim owners driver Mercedes ?

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    I have seen a few "minimalistic" designs at high prices, but this surely takes some beating

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    Quote Originally Posted by earlofsodbury View Post
    Funny how people judge audio by the size and number of the parts, and not the effect they have...

    Separating the power supply from sensitive audio circuits is worth doing.

    Whether it's worth the cost of the stupidly-named "Flatcap" is down solely to your ear, your budget and your priorities.

    Not a gaggle of ill-informed and technologically illiterate amateur opinionistas.

    Basically I agree. This habit of posting pictures of the inside of boxes and laughing at the number of components is daft.

    However, that is supposed to be a superior power supply. From a technical point of view, it doesn't look like one. A torroidal transformer, one pretty average cap and what looks like a pair of voltage regulators or rectifiers does not a proper psu make.

    To me, that looks like an average torroidal and some pretty average components.
    I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but Iím not sure you realise that what you heard is not what I meant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rabski View Post
    Basically I agree. This habit of posting pictures of the inside of boxes and laughing at the number of components is daft.

    However, that is supposed to be a superior power supply. From a technical point of view, it doesn't look like one. A torroidal transformer, one pretty average cap and what looks like a pair of voltage regulators or rectifiers does not a proper psu make.

    To me, that looks like an average torroidal and some pretty average components.
    Doesn't matter so long as it sounds good to the person buying it and it fits with the other components.

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    I think it's more about the price Naim charge for this unit rather than what it does
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    Quote Originally Posted by JVS View Post
    What's the big deal? It's a design thing surely isn't it - so this box matches the others that are probably more packed with components.
    That's probably got a lot to do with it. I don't have a problem with that at all.

    Naim major on their brand identity and to lots of people that's quite important. Part of the pride of ownership and all that. I wouldn't buy them, but I do like the look of it all.
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    Cogito, ergo doleo. rabski's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stupinder View Post
    Doesn't matter so long as it sounds good to the person buying it and it fits with the other components.
    Caveat emptor.

    Purely my opinion. Frankly, half of what's in my life is ridiculously over-priced for what it actually consists of, but in terms of the thread, my comment stands. It's a pretty average attempt at a power supply, using pretty average circuitry and pretty basic components. If it sounds better than the standard power supply, I can only conclude that the standard power supply must be damned poor.

    YMMV...
    I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but Iím not sure you realise that what you heard is not what I meant.

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    This popped up recently with Arcam BD player £1000 ... that gets you an HDMI connection for video and audio (think of what you can buy sub £1000 BD player wise just now) and the inside of the case looks like this:



    Was the same with the £1000 MF A3.5 CDP a few years back, a wilderness inside the case. Now these device probably work fine and are fit for task, but when you consider what you can get down the cost chain, sort of makes you think about smoke n mirrors.

    MF A3.5 CDP:

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    £700 for that power supply looks like good value next to £420 for the mains lead to go with it...

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    Yeah so let's move away from knocking Naim for value for money, as they are far from alone in failing in that respect, and move to an area that brooks far less argument. Their kit sounds shit. The more Naim kit you get, the more Naimy the sound, and that just makes it more shitty-sounding. Adding a shitty external power supply to a shittily unstable amplifier creates a megashit sound.


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