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    biwring

    I've got a Chord power amp (SPM 900) with connections for two sets of speakers (but I'm only using one pair) . Is it a good idea to use A and B at the same time to biwire my speakers and if so how do I wire everything up? I assume that the four (in total) outputs for the left speakers (2 for A, 2 for B) will go to the 4 inputs of the left speaker and the same for the right speaker. Hope I've expressed myself clearly.

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    Dont bother, biwire is pointless.
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    To be honest I've never really subscribed to bi-wiring, but if you want to do it, just run a cable from each +/- pair of outputs to a +/- pair of inputs on the speaker. Of course there are those who swear it makes a massive difference, so it's entirely up to you, but depending on your cable it could be an expensive experiment.

    An alternative is jumpers - very short runs of cable- between the speaker terminals, which replace the little bit of metal you probably have at the moment and will almost certainly be cheaper than a second set of cables. Again, perceived benefit may vary.
    Last edited by psychochicken; 28-01-2011 at 12:39 PM. Reason: typo

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    Many thanks - I'm quite sceptical myself but fortunately the experiment will only cost me my time as I already have some cable and I was just wondering if my ideas of wiring everything up were correct - it seems as if they are.

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    If you already have the cable then experiment to your heart's content!

    For those that do not have two outputs and are considering modifying their cables then please don't bother!
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    The inference from a long running and current thread on PFM is that:

    Bi-wiring is a total waste of time, and

    Bi-amping is extremely controversial but is an expensive way of achieving little gain, regardless, and

    Active bi-amping (with electronic X-over) is a completely different ball game

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pussycat View Post
    The inference from a long running and current thread on PFM is that:

    Bi-wiring is a total waste of time, and

    Bi-amping is extremely controversial but is an expensive way of achieving little gain, regardless, and

    Active bi-amping (with electronic X-over) is a completely different ball game

    Thank God we have the experts on PFM to hold us by the hand!

    Have you read any of the threads on these subjects on here?
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    bi wiring works better for some people than others.
    But ill not be forcing , or even trying to force my opinion on you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice_Coil View Post
    bi wiring works better for some people than others.
    But ill not be forcing , or even trying to force my opinion on you
    Bi wiring definitely works better for people who want to believe they haven't wasted their money.

    As long as the original cable is of sufficient cross sectional area to be fit for purpose there can be no benefit from bi-wiring.

    I would love to hear a reason why it works which is not anecdotal.


    I should add that I tried Bi-wiring, I even went as far as paying the cable manufacturer to modify the cables for bi-amping (and back again)

    Luckily, when I came to my senses I found some one else who was as big a fool as I had been to buy them from me (I didn't sell them here!).
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    HAHA at your story 'tel'

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    Bi-wiring?

    Been there, tried it. Tried hopelessly to convince myself it made a difference. I just couldn't tell the difference (apart from in the pocket). I have since seen the light. Now any multi strand (for flexibility) wire of sufficient current capacity will do. In both my system I'm using Ixos flat 4 bi-wire cable, which I have cunningly split in half to give 2 runs of single 16awg wire. I had some lying about from a few years back.
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    Each to his own, I have previously owned 4 "active" stereo amps, and, now, I am just as happy with what I have, 1 high powered stereo amp, biwired 4-4 configuration, neglible extra cost?, and great performance to boot...

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    Same question...?? Negligible extra cost? Twice the number of runs = twice the cost for feck all difference apart from a lighter wallet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tel View Post
    What is an "active" stereo amp?
    Apologies, four Linn Klout stereo amps with activ crossover cards in, one for treble, one for mid, and two for bass...

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    Despite being addicted to cables (mains, interconnect and 'speaker), and convinced they make a difference, I've never found any benefit from bi wiring.

    By definition it costs twice as much as single wiring, and I'd rather spend that cash on a more expensive single 'speaker cable. To my ears this will give a better sound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doug2507 View Post
    Same question...?? Negligible extra cost? Twice the number of runs = twice the cost for feck all difference apart from a lighter wallet.
    The way I look at it is that my amp has 4 outputs per side, effectively 2 stereo amps in the one box (a very large one at that), my speakers have 4 terminals per side for bi-amping/ biwiring, the small cost that I refer to above is the choice of cable selection, mine is one run per side, configured 4-4 at the ends?, gotta be better this way right...

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    No - it's just one stereo amp. The speaker binding posts are simply connected together inside the amp. The amp will see exactly the same load whether you bi-wire or use mono-wire with jumpers at the speaker end.

    All you are doing is moving the jumper from the back of the speaker to the back of the amp (inside the case.) Electrically this is a tiny modification to the crossover circuit - unless you are using particularly weird cables I wouldn't expect it to be a significant one.

    Having said that, a lot of people are just plain uncomfortable with the idea of not using those extra terminals. Those people will have a more relaxed listening experience knowing the bi-wires are there, and it will sound better because they are more relaxed.

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    So dropping in Krell mono amps of lower power output (250 wpc) probably would'nt return any improvement?...

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    Mono-blocking (seperate amps for the left and right speakers) is completely different from bi-wiring. Your big Krell stereo amp is probably a dual-mono design anyway, so it's hard so predict. You'll have a slightly positive potential effect from extra channel separation, but a slightly negative one from lower power. Whether either of these effects makes an audible difference is unpredictable - you'll have to try it and see!

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