Epiphany Acoustics Evolution Audio  Audio Emotion 
Results 1 to 20 of 20
  1. #1
    Super Wammer Sheva's Avatar
    Join Date
     Apr 2006
    Posts
     5,255
    Location
     Chiavenna
    Real Name
     Sheva
    Turn Table
     Project Debut III
    Digital Source 1
     Marantz CD6003
    Integrated Amp
     Audiolab 8000S
    Speakers
     Mission 751
    In the Hi-Fi industry?
     No

    Post imported post

    All the expensive standmounts seem to have their own extremely expensive matching stands, for example the SF Cremona Auditors, Focal 1007s etc, which seem to cost at least £600+. Are these really necessarily, or are they just an aesthetic gimmick. If you were to buy a decent pair of fully welded filled stands with a big top plate (I’m thinking of something like the Partingtons with 4 supports (Heavies )), would they be just as effective? Certainly you wouldn’t have to worry about purchasing separate stands again if you changed speaker model.

  2. #2
    Super Dooper Wammer rockmeister's Avatar
    Join Date
     Jul 2005
    Posts
     15,249
    Location
     scotland
    Real Name
     john
    Turn Table
     Palmer2.5
    T/Arm & Cart
     SME M2-9, Benz SL wd
    Digital Source 1
     Luxman CD 05
    Integrated Amp
     Luxman SQ 38u
    Speakers
     Harbeth sHL5
    In the Hi-Fi industry?
     No

    Post imported post

    are you bored today??? you seem to be starting a post a minute!
    IM recentE aftermarket stands are bigger, heavier and better VFM by a country mile. Part's are brilliant example os why spending 250 is better than spending 600 IMO
    still just watching clouds

  3. #3
    Wammer
    Join Date
     Oct 2006
    Posts
     2,094
    Location
     derby, , United Kingdom

    Post imported post

    I never realised just how important stands are for speakers untill i put a pair of Target R1`s under the AVI`s i had at the time, they made a hell of a difference, again 4 pillars (lead filled) with hefty top and bottom plates, i think they are discontiued but sonus make a copy now, but at around £350 they were expensive, they also worked wonders on some tannoy 12L`s, when i ended up with speakers that were too big for them i put them on Ebay and got £90, i was sick as a parrot.
    thru.






  4. #4
    Wammer
    Join Date
     Aug 2005
    Posts
     3,218
    Location
     , , United Kingdom

    Post imported post

    I think the matching ones are probably more for looks and to make money.

    Although there are certain instances, like with the Dynaudio Stand 4 where the speaker stand mounts to the speaker

  5. #5
    Wammer
    Join Date
     Jul 2005
    Posts
     794
    Location
     Leeds UK, ,

    Post imported post

    there are plenty of manufactures that will make stands to your exact dimensions for under £250 ! Custom design, Something Solid and Partington(?) to name 3
    So I don't see the need to buy rip-off "matching" (and often inferior) stands

    I think the matching stands thing is a con at the prices most of them charge.

    New Wilson Duette standmount is £9k .. the stands will set you back an additional £1.8k !!!

    £1800!!! You could have a brand new superfly system for that sum!!


    The Blues ain\'t nothin\' but a woman on a weak man\'s mind

  6. #6
    Wammer
    Join Date
     Jul 2005
    Posts
     11,775
    Location
     , ,

    Post imported post

    Sheva wrote:
    All the expensive standmounts seem to have their own extremely expensive matching stands, for example the SF Cremona Auditors, Focal 1007s etc, which seem to cost at least £600+. Are these really necessarily, or are they just an aesthetic gimmick. If you were to buy a decent pair of fully welded filled stands with a big top plate (I’m thinking of something like the Partingtons with 4 supports (Heavies )), would they be just as effective? Certainly you wouldn’t have to worry about purchasing separate stands again if you changed speaker model.
    Some companies make decent stands B&W and Focal are worth the money but some of the others are to me a waste of dosh

  7. #7
    Across a Wire Alex A's Avatar
    Join Date
     Jan 2006
    Posts
     5,914
    Location
     Lancs
    Turn Table
     Avid Ingenium
    T/Arm & Cart
     SME V - Sumiko BPS 3
    SUT/Phono
     ProJect Phono Box RS
    Digital Source 1
     NUC PC - JRiver
    DAC
     Chord DAC64
    Speakers
     Event Opal
    Pre Amp
     ProJect Pre Box RS
    In the Hi-Fi industry?
     No

    Post imported post

    The stands for the Sonus Faber CA are perhaps as custom as you can get. But I just use really high quality non speaker spesific stands (£400). I can tilt them back to the appropriate angle to get the correct time alignment for the Auditors, and I can also use them for any other speakers I choose. I'm sure the dedicated Auditor stands might add a little, but from experience, not much. And second hand value on stands in particular means that if you're a 'standmount person' you may as well invest in a seriously good quality 'universal' stand that you can keep through speaker upgrades.

  8. #8
    Across a Wire Alex A's Avatar
    Join Date
     Jan 2006
    Posts
     5,914
    Location
     Lancs
    Turn Table
     Avid Ingenium
    T/Arm & Cart
     SME V - Sumiko BPS 3
    SUT/Phono
     ProJect Phono Box RS
    Digital Source 1
     NUC PC - JRiver
    DAC
     Chord DAC64
    Speakers
     Event Opal
    Pre Amp
     ProJect Pre Box RS
    In the Hi-Fi industry?
     No

    Post imported post

    nixon_fiend wrote:
    Thing is a con at the prices most of them charge.

    New Wilson Duette standmount is £9k .. the stands will set you back an additional £1.8k !!!

    £1800!!! You could have a brand new superfly system for that sum!!


    You're forgetting that they're made of the most costly synthetic in the world: X material! or is it W material. One of them. It's like buying solid gold...

  9. #9
    Ursine Wammer technobear's Avatar
    Join Date
     Sep 2005
    Posts
     2,628
    Location
     Glastonbury, UK
    Real Name
     Chris
    Digital Source 1
     Audiolab 8200CDQ
    Digital Source 2
     iFi Audio micro iDSD
    Integrated Amp
     iFi Audio micro iCAN
    Speakers
     Rogers LS4a
    Power Amp
     Kenwood KR950B
    Headphones
     Beyerdynamic T1
    In the Hi-Fi industry?
     No

    Post imported post

    Those Partington things look awful.

    This is what you need:



    Solid, strong, heavy, smart looking and excellent value for money.

    Target MR60 or MR70
    Chris

  10. #10
    Wammer
    Join Date
     Jul 2005
    Posts
     1,825
    Location
     Norn Iron, , United

    Post imported post

    Alex_A wrote:

    You're forgetting that they're made of the most costly synthetic in the world: X material! or is it W material. One of them. It's like buying solid gold...
    Those speakers are beautiful

    I want

  11. #11
    Super Wammer TIU's Avatar
    Join Date
     Dec 2005
    Posts
     6,681
    Location
     B'ham-Not-On-Sea
    Real Name
     Gary
    Turn Table
     Modded Lenco GL69
    T/Arm & Cart
     12"/Eroica LX
    SUT/Phono
     Slee Fanfare MC
    Digital Source 1
     Pioneer PD-S801
    Integrated Amp
     Avondale monos
    Speakers
     Amphion Argon
    In the Hi-Fi industry?
     No

    Post imported post

    These Target HR60s come fully welded in two separate boxes. Not too expensive as well. I'm really pleased with them.
    'The pump don't work 'cause the vandals took the handles.'

  12. #12
    .
    Join Date
     Feb 2006
    Posts
     7,293
    In the Hi-Fi industry?
     No

    Post imported post

    Glens of Antrim wrote:
    Alex_A wrote:

    You're forgetting that they're made of the most costly synthetic in the world: X material! or is it W material. One of them. It's like buying solid gold...
    Those speakers are beautiful

    I want
    Unfortunately they sound like about a quarter of what they sell for imho.

  13. #13
    Wammer Papa Lazarou's Avatar
    Join Date
     Aug 2005
    Posts
     12,241
    Location
     Bletchley, Bucks
    Real Name
     Phil
    Turn Table
     Voyd
    T/Arm & Cart
     HR100S, Decca SG DP
    SUT/Phono
     Prototype AI P2
    Digital Source 1
     CEC TL53Z
    Digital Source 2
     Thinkpad and rBlink
    DAC
     AN 1.1 Sig
    Speakers
     LV OBX-R2
    Pre Amp
     AN Jp M7
    Power Amp
     NAF 845 SET
    Headphones
     
    In the Hi-Fi industry?
     No

    Post imported post

    Obviously my standmounts came with their own custom stands, i believe Wilson Benesch sell a major percentage of them this way. The Arcs are available without the supports, as i believe some customers use them in multi-channel applications, they also provide a wall mount for this purpose.
    I believe the the stands retail in the region of 400 pounds?
    Personally it was a no-brainer for me to buy them with the dedicated stands, the cabinets are secured via 3 allen bolts giving an immensely rigid structure.
    My Flickr Page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/philnmorgan/

    When a man steals your wife, there is no better revenge than to let him keep her. (David Bissonette)

  14. #14
    Super Wammer
    Join Date
     Aug 2005
    Posts
     3,106
    Location
     Netherlands
    Real Name
     Erik
    Digital Source 1
     MF X-Ray v3
    Integrated Amp
     MF 308 pre/power
    Speakers
     Dyn Contour 1.3SE
    In the Hi-Fi industry?
     No

    Post imported post

    darrenmayne wrote:
    I think the matching ones are probably more for looks and to make money.

    Although there are certain instances, like with the Dynaudio Stand 4 where the speaker stand mounts to the speaker
    Stand 4 (orprevious 2) works a treat with Contour S1.4 and probably Confidence 1. Think a pair wouldcostabout £200.

  15. #15
    Moderator Testure's Avatar
    Join Date
     Jul 2005
    Posts
     4,606
    Location
     West London/ Watford
    Real Name
     Testy
    Turn Table
     Thorens TD2010
    T/Arm & Cart
     AO250, 2m Red
    SUT/Phono
     Slee Era V Gold
    Digital Source 1
     Pioneer DVL919
    Digital Source 2
     Tascam DA-20 MkII
    DAC
     Luxman DA-100
    Integrated Amp
     Stello Ai500
    Speakers
     Aurelia Ambera
    In the Hi-Fi industry?
     No

    Post imported post

    Papa Lazarou wrote:
    Obviously my standmounts came with their own custom stands, i believe Wilson Benesch sell a major percentage of them this way. The Arcs are available without the supports, as i believe some customers use them in multi-channel applications, they also provide a wall mount for this purpose.
    I believe the the stands retail in the region of 400 pounds?
    Personally it was a no-brainer for me to buy them with the dedicated stands, the cabinets are secured via 3 allen bolts giving an immensely rigid structure.
    Similar situation with Revels, but if they stay at the new Testy towers, I will be doing a bit of mass loading both for accoustic and saftey (little one seems to be attacted to the Hifi like a magnet;)) reasons.

    clean gloves hide dirty hands

  16. #16
    Wammer
    Join Date
     Aug 2006
    Posts
     358
    Location
     Cheshire, UK

    Post imported post

    Try some QS Acrylics, by far and away better than any others I've heard. They worked beautifully on all speakers I have tried them with.

  17. #17
    Across a Wire Alex A's Avatar
    Join Date
     Jan 2006
    Posts
     5,914
    Location
     Lancs
    Turn Table
     Avid Ingenium
    T/Arm & Cart
     SME V - Sumiko BPS 3
    SUT/Phono
     ProJect Phono Box RS
    Digital Source 1
     NUC PC - JRiver
    DAC
     Chord DAC64
    Speakers
     Event Opal
    Pre Amp
     ProJect Pre Box RS
    In the Hi-Fi industry?
     No

    Post imported post

    Cant remember the brand, but how about those wobbly perspex ones? They were most convincing at the manchester show with some JM Micro Utopia BEs. As were their wobbly racks (amazing cross demo with a normal solid rack).

    Quick note re the Arcs: They are ported on their base, aren't they? Can't really use any other stands :p

    Edit: Found it!

  18. #18
    Wammer Papa Lazarou's Avatar
    Join Date
     Aug 2005
    Posts
     12,241
    Location
     Bletchley, Bucks
    Real Name
     Phil
    Turn Table
     Voyd
    T/Arm & Cart
     HR100S, Decca SG DP
    SUT/Phono
     Prototype AI P2
    Digital Source 1
     CEC TL53Z
    Digital Source 2
     Thinkpad and rBlink
    DAC
     AN 1.1 Sig
    Speakers
     LV OBX-R2
    Pre Amp
     AN Jp M7
    Power Amp
     NAF 845 SET
    Headphones
     
    In the Hi-Fi industry?
     No

    Post imported post

    Alex_A wrote:
    Cant remember the brand, but how about those wobbly perspex ones? They were most convincing at the manchester show with some JM Micro Utopia BEs. As were their wobbly racks (amazing cross demo with a normal solid rack).

    Quick note re the Arcs: They are ported on their base, aren't they? Can't really use any other stands :p

    Edit: Found it!
    Yes thats right, ported on the bottom.
    My Flickr Page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/philnmorgan/

    When a man steals your wife, there is no better revenge than to let him keep her. (David Bissonette)

  19. #19
    Wammer
    Join Date
     Aug 2006
    Posts
     358
    Location
     Cheshire, UK

    Post imported post

    Alex_A wrote:
    Cant remember the brand, but how about those wobbly perspex ones? They were most convincing at the manchester show with some JM Micro Utopia BEs. As were their wobbly racks (amazing cross demo with a normal solid rack).

    Quick note re the Arcs: They are ported on their base, aren't they? Can't really use any other stands :p

    Edit: Found it!

    Yes, those are the QS acrylics I mentioned in the post before.


  20. #20
    Super Wammer JANDL100's Avatar
    Join Date
     Dec 2006
    Posts
     12,066
    Location
     Forest of Dean, Glos
    Real Name
     Jerry
    Turn Table
     Technics SL150ii
    T/Arm & Cart
     AT1010 / Orty MC25FL
    SUT/Phono
     Marantz 4230
    Digital Source 1
     Technics SL-P1200 CD
    Digital Source 2
     Arcam DV29 DVDP
    Integrated Amp
     Ming Da MC368-BSE
    Speakers
     MBL 116F
    Power Amp
     NAD S300 integrated
    Headphones
     Grado 325i
    In the Hi-Fi industry?
     No

    Post imported post

    IME it depends on the speaker.

    I used to have Proac Response 2 spkrs - wonderful things, butonly when mounted absolutely centrally on Target R2 stands - they were specifically designed for the Proacs. I seriously think I lost 70% of what make them great speakers when they weren't mounted properly .

    Others stand mounts I've tried haven't been very fussy at all.

    Some speakers seem to like light stands, others like heavy stand .....

    I don't think there is a great universal stand for all speakers. Sorry!

    As to whether speaker manufacturers make the "right" stand for their own products I don't know - but the cynic in me somehow doubts it .
    Life's too short for boring hifi!

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •