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    That was a truly memorable race Tony. 2008 was all round a more exciting GP year than this year.

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    Tones - I agree - that race to me is the best race I've ever watched - of any kind.

    As for this seeming to hit so many, I can only speak for myself ..... but it was such a shock as the camera was on Simonchelli and Bartista as they were passing and re-pasing each other. We were only on lap 2. Then it happened - so sudden...... no warning signs, no tyres going off ...... and of course being so close to the start - riders all still close together.
    On top of that - he was a big character and part of the next round of champions - someone coming up to take on 'the aliens'.

    Someone with such a big personality, it is always hard to think they are no longer there.
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    Excellent race today, and finishes don't come any closer than that. I felt sorry for Spies, but another feather in Stoner's cap for coming back. Pity about Rossi being taken off - I live in hope that Ducati will get something to work. (Has Rossi ever before not won at least one race in any season of MotoGP in which he has competed?)
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    Yes, a good race, and well done to Cal Crutchlow!
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    Very interesting qualifying - quite a few look really close, should hopefully mean some really close and exciting racing :-)

    Really good to see our top brit getting on the front row.
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    Good exciting race, with an unexpected end, thanks to Stoner's arm pump (never heard of arm pump, I confess). There had to be a good reason why he suddenly started going backwards from a dominant lead - I was assuming the Honda was harder on tyres.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tones View Post
    Good exciting race, with an unexpected end, thanks to Stoner's arm pump (never heard of arm pump, I confess). There had to be a good reason why he suddenly started going backwards from a dominant lead - I was assuming the Honda was harder on tyres.
    Arm pump for a rider is at least as frustrating as it can be painful. It can be bad enough so that the rider can hardly operate the lever using the hand affected, and if he is able to, will get very little feedback from them.
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    For me, the saddest thing of all was (in the German language commentary I was watching), the virtual non-mention of Rossi, trailing miserably down in 10th, well beaten by his own team-mate. I hope that Ducati can get its act together and provide Rossi with something that allows him to mix it with Lorenzo and Stoner. Last year, he finished on the podium once (and not on the accustomed top step). Could this year be the one where he doesn't make it at all? A sad way for a great career to end.

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/98678
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    I want to see Rossi interviewed...all kings must pass the crown one day, but last season and this were so...sudden. One minute right on top, next trailing way down. It HAS to be the bike surely. I appreciate that at this level, the slighest loss of edge puts you from 1 to 10, but not every race. Give the bugger a Honda and then we might see.
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    Has the combination of Rossi's shoulder injury, from start of last year, together with the lack of competiveness of the Ducati during the whole of the 2011 season resulted in him becoming unable (disabled?) to perform at top level. It may be just the bike, but he really does look a shadow of himself (pre-2011) and I just feel that his current performance is not a simple/slight case of temporary, poor race-fitness.

    Remember, it was a very similar shoulder injury that prevented Carl Fogarty from being able to continue racing properly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonyboy0444 View Post
    Has the combination of Rossi's shoulder injury, from start of last year, together with the lack of competiveness of the Ducati during the whole of the 2011 season resulted in him becoming unable (disabled?) to perform at top level. It may be just the bike, but he really does look a shadow of himself (pre-2011) and I just feel that his current performance is not a simple/slight case of temporary, poor race-fitness

    Remember, it was a very similar shoulder injury that prevented Carl Fogarty from being able to continue racing properly.
    This Steve Parrish BBC piece seems sadly appropriate - I desperately hope it isn't:
    Valentino Rossi

    I'm still very worried about Valentino Rossi. Something's not gelling, and I'm not too sure whether it's the bike or him.
    No-one ever wants to point the finger at Valentino Rossi but I don't think he's the rider he was three years ago. It's hard to keep the drive and the fire in your belly which you have when you are younger. He's now 33-years-old and I wonder if he still wants it.

    He broke his leg badly two years ago, he had lots of crashes last year and it affects you. I went through it in my own career. I started off blaming the tyres, then the bike, then the mechanics and everything but myself. It's hard because when you do start doubting yourself it snowballs, but sooner or later you have to confront it and that's the best time to retire.

    The Ducati is nearer this year, they've fine tuned it to suit Rossi but I'll be very surprised if he is on the podium this year which is a real shame. There's no bigger fan than me, he's been so good for the sport but I'm nearly embarrassed for him now.

    I don't think he'll be mixing it with the front guys and he should be because he is in that class. His wings have been clipped. He's not the same Rossi we've all loved and admired over the last 15 years.

    Some of the things that he did were remarkable, he had that incredible ability to drag results out when you thought he was finished. He came back stronger and better time and again but I'm not sure he can ever do that again.
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    Tones, I don't particularly concur with SP's opinion, but I do feel quite sure about one thing: that Rossi will never come back to form on a Ducati. Ducati's current MotoGP design and development team just do not seem have the ability to devise and create a bike for the specific rider that will allow them to fully compete (ie. race) and, hence, fight for a win. In the past, Ducati were just very fortunate to employ a few (the odd) rider that gelled with their bikes.

    More top-class riders have failed, quite dismally at times, to perform even remotely consistently on Ducati MotoGP machines than any other make I can recall.

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    well all I can say is, if Parish is right, then, BUGGER.
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    Rossi's more interested in playing with his "special" friend.
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    ISC, well it takes one to know one, you big Croydon poof
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    Know one what? How dare you insinuate that I have anything to do with Croydon.
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    I thought we were in for a repeat today, as Lorenzo closed in on Stoner, and then Stoner simply pulled away at the end. Glad the arm business didn't interfere again.

    Again desperately sad to see Rossi languishing down among the also-rans, even struggling to compete with the customer Ducati teams. The (Swiss) commentator mentioned a rumour that Rossi would return to Yamaha next year. Apparently Yamaha is having problems attracting sponsorship, but with Rossi back on board, he thought there's be no problems. Mind you, I wonder - the fire in Rossi may not have gone out completely, but it certainly seems to have dimmed.
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    Casey Stoner retires at the end of the season

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/motogp/18108872
    http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2012/Casey+retirement

    That's a shame, but good luck to him. I was looking forward to him catching up on fellow Oz "Quick Mick" Doohan, but it is not to be. Here's hoping he goes out on a high with a third championship.

    On the other hand...

    http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2012/R...ears+in+MotoGP

    I only hope he doesn't hang around to become an embarrassment to himself, as per Mickey Shoes.
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    Top rider even tamed the Duke,a big miss to the sport,good luck in what ever you do Casey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonneville View Post
    Top rider even tamed the Duke,a big miss to the sport,good luck in what ever you do Casey.
    Just so.
    It would be nice to see a great rider leaving in something other that the proverbial box.
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