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    i_should_coco wrote:
    Hi Hawk - great write up!

    I think you've described perfectly the reaction to hearing a proper set of horns. The way they can shift air can take your breath away, mostly the effortless fashion they do it in.

    Of course, having horn sub-woofers helps a lot here, that way you get the full effect! But you do need a very large room. I do think you could get 90% of the way there with just the folded horns. Obviously you won't get as much bass, but the sense of presence will be there.

    He's the system I use:

    Bass: Conical 70Hz horn (ok, so they need a sub-woofer) with Vitavox AK-151 15" woofer.

    Mid: Vitavox S2 on CN-157 dispersive horns (these ring a bit, so I'd expect the wooden Definitive ones to be better, but again, I woud expect a tractrix or LeCleac'h horn to be even better for the mid-range)

    Treble: JBL 2405

    All these components are available (with a bit of searching) and would most likely not break the bank (I reckon you could get all the drive units for <£2k). Some woodwork and fine tuning and well...

    Ok, so the Kondo is a huge price, but again I reckon a decent valve amp and some horns will get you a long way down the road. Anyway, let's put it like this, my horns may look shit, but I ain't going back to conventional speakers.

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    Thanks Pete.

    The effortless shifting of air as you say is remarkable, and I can now honestly say I understand where you Horn lovers are coming from. Kevin did run them without the bass bins briefly, and of course the wall of sound shrunk but if I had heard them on their own first then I would still have been very very impressed, and in fact I was, its just the full monty setup is in another world all together

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    Super review bud:dude:, gave a nice flavour of what Iwould have experienced.

    Only delayed though will make a vist in the next month or so



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    Hawk wrote:
    Thanks Pete,

    The effortless shifting of air as you say is remarkable, and I can now honestly say I understand where you Horn lovers are coming from. Kevin did run them without the bass bins briefly, and of course the wall of sound shrunk but if I had heard them on their own first then I would still have been very very impressed, and in fact I was, its just the full monty setup is in another world all together
    Yeah, it's just a shame they have to be so big. Sadly, getting around the laws of physics is not an option yet. It's definitely not fair.




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    The size is a problem, im just looking at where my IBXs are sitting right now but no matter how much I try to kid myself they wouldnt fit, not without taking out the kitchen

    Mind you, I think Kitchens are overated!!

    Im off here next http://www.national-lottery.co.uk

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    Hawk wrote:
    The size is a problem, im just looking at where my IBXs are sitting right now but no matter how much I try to kid myself they wouldnt fit, not without taking out the kitchen

    Mind you, I think Kitchens are overated!!

    Im off here next http://www.national-lottery.co.uk
    Well at least it's only the kitchen, I'd have to evict the old lady next door, to fit them in my place

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    Testure wrote:
    Hawk wrote:
    The size is a problem, im just looking at where my IBXs are sitting right now but no matter how much I try to kid myself they wouldnt fit, not without taking out the kitchen

    Mind you, I think Kitchens are overated!!

    Im off here next http://www.national-lottery.co.uk
    Well at least it's only the kitchen, I'd have to evict the old lady next door, to fit them in my place
    You better serve her notice now then ;)

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    Superb write-up Hawk, it's got me thinking if I brick up the windows and put wadding on all the internalwalls, open-out the back and geta decent driver in the front, then I could sit outside my horn-loaded house and get a pretty decent rendering of some old mono faves

    Would take some saving and evicting my neighbours before I could go stereo though! :lmao:

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    CD players - computer audio for dummies.

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    awesome

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    i_should_coco wrote:
    Bloody hell or words to that effect!


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    That guy is/should be committed.

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    is cool

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    I believe he must be pretty serious, and a scaffold erector looking at the speaker stands,some listening room,but his audience look very bored, or is it shock ?
    Spot the cable risers?
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    Hawk wrote: he is seriously good at giant Jenga. so good in fact he's got two sets and shows them off at the back of the room. Some of these audiophiles are so vain.


    Same same, but different

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    Don't you just love those ceiling tiles too..... and cushions!

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    Bloody hell. It's another world.
    I don't have enough digits to figure out what that kit and those installs/builds must have cost. Impressive.

    When does dedication become obsession?

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    Kevin's actually quite friendly. I think the first thing to do would be a simple phone call for a chat.

    JJ

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    badger748 wrote:
    Thanks JJ.....will do. Could be an expensive call! All the best dealers..i.e. with interesting stuff are always miles away.
    I think thats a good thing! the distance can help the wallet

    As JJ says Kevin is a decent chap and suprisingly perhaps a large chunk of Definitive's business is at the more affordable end.

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