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    Poor old Vdh; I have some Vdh cables, carbon and 'normal'. They are like all other cables in that specific cable seem to suit specific systems. They are certainly not my favourite....but the extreme views expressed here aren't that useful. Vdh will work just fine in some applications. Horses for courses chaps....I especially like Cardas and some LFD cables, but so what. It is what you like, not what other people tell you to like.

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    why not just use tone controls

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    Quote Originally Posted by murray johnson View Post
    Aren't the vdH carbon cables just car HT leads?
    apart from your post being quite amusing in that there do seem to be HT leads made of carbon that have a resemblance to the First (i know jack shit about cars)...

    I also came across discussions over HT leads making a difference to your car...it's like Hifi nervosa but the car version arghhhh

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    Quote Originally Posted by googleborg View Post
    apart from your post being quite amusing
    I wasn't joking!

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    Quote Originally Posted by paskinn View Post
    Poor old Vdh; I have some Vdh cables, carbon and 'normal'. They are like all other cables in that specific cable seem to suit specific systems. They are certainly not my favourite....but the extreme views expressed here aren't that useful. Vdh will work just fine in some applications. Horses for courses chaps....I especially like Cardas and some LFD cables, but so what. It is what you like, not what other people tell you to like.
    If you start a thread asking for peoples experiences what exactly do you expect?
    "We could have saved the Earth but we were too damned cheap" Kurt Vonnegut

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    Quote Originally Posted by murray johnson View Post
    I wasn't joking!
    i did some more 'research' (typing words into google) and indeed, you weren't

    gonna have to get me a pair and turn them into interconnects now about 100 times cheaper than the first too lol

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    Not all VDH cables have the carbon conductors.

    I have a set (6) of their C5 patch cables on my 5.1 system for DVD-A playback.
    Silver plated OFC with a carbon coating.
    They're a well made cable and the price is (or at least was) reasonable.
    No bland and dull sound there.

    Porcupine Tree on DVD-A sounds simultaneously and
    The truth may be out there, but the lies are inside your head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by googleborg View Post
    i did some more 'research' (typing words into google) and indeed, you weren't

    gonna have to get me a pair and turn them into interconnects now about 100 times cheaper than the first too lol
    Why do they use carbon and how on earth would you terminate them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HectorHughMunro View Post
    Why do they use carbon and how on earth would you terminate them?

    My personal suspicion is becuase it makes them sound different. Whether they sound better or not is of course entirely subjective, but when 99.9999999% of fit for purpose cables sound identical, being able to make one tht does sound "different" is something of a USP.

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    Aha, time for the Van den Hul Song, to the tune of the old "Robin Hood" TV series.

    How to pronounce “Hul”? Well, according to my tame native Dutch speakers, the “u” sound in this case falls between those in “dull” and in “pull” – probably the nearest in English is the one in “bury”. So, I’ve having it both ways and rhyming it with “dull” in the first and third refrains and “pull” in the second and fourth:

    Van den Hul, van den Hul, scientific sleaze
    Van den Hul, looks for gul-ible folks to fleece
    Trade mark should be crossed bones and skull
    Van den Hul, van den Hul, van den Hul


    He called the greatest con men to a tavern near the dike
    They vowed to sell a cable with price hike
    Their rhetoric was ready, their distortions were in place
    And they spouted it forth with straight face.

    Van den Hul is no fool when it comes to bend
    Every rule taught at school, should it somehow lend
    Credence to his pulling the wool
    Van den Hul, van den Hul, van den Hul


    He castigates those wires made of metal by drawing
    To justify his carbon (that’s his thing)
    Like other cable con-men he gives facts unusual twist
    Solves problems that really don’t exist.

    Van den Hul, like seagull, soars hyperbole
    Van den Hul, never dull, humbugs happily
    Seeking believing folk to lull
    Van den Hul, van den Hul, van den Hul


    Burn-in, he says, are tunnels formed in cables on the floor
    Electrons pass more easily, sounds soar
    But when they’re vacuum-cleaned the tunnelling is all in vain
    It takes a week before they’re back again.

    Van den Hul’s line of bull, is a real show-stopper
    Van den Hul, audio ghoul, master of the whopper
    Snake oil abounds, knee-deep in pools
    Van den Hul, van den Hul, van den Hul.
    The man with the golden ear trumpet

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    Quote Originally Posted by HectorHughMunro View Post
    Why do they use carbon and how on earth would you terminate them?
    this is it, no idea why it uses carbon, and no idea about cars :/

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/8MM-CARBON-SIL...m#ht_500wt_922

    not sure how i'll terminate them, crimp perhaps? doubt my solder would stick to carbon



    can just imagine some nice fancy text on that. "Carbon is essential to Organic life, you're made from 18% carbon, it only makes sense your interconnects should be carbon too".

    Will call the cable "the Karbon" or perhaps "qARBON" or some other really cool and super-duper original misspelling of carbon.
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    I use both The First and The First Ultimate.
    They are certainly not rolled off on the treble.
    They are exceptionally good cables when used properly.That is between digital sources and amplifiers.
    I agree they are less convincing between pre and power amps.

    I also have several friends who use these cables in preference to anything else.
    They can make digital reproduction sound more like vinyl and once you get use them in this role anything else sounds grainy,splashy....and...well....metallic.They also have superb imaging.
    They also do away with the need for that absurd implementation of valve output stages in DACs and CD players and for a lot less money.
    They are one of the great bargains in audio.The First Ultimate is the more neutral of the two and has better bass but The First has a lovely organic midrange.
    Last edited by THOMO; 15-06-2011 at 12:58 PM.

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    Does anyone have any experience of van den hul Integration Hybrid, to use between dac and integrated amp??

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    If you can try some - let your ears decide!!! Carbon may be less conductive but if it helps get the most/more enjoyment out of your system then go for it. I think where it helps is that so many digital based systems can sound harsh or overly splashy - its also been around for years now and I assume sells reasonably well when other products have come and gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greygoose View Post
    Does anyone have any experience of van den hul Integration Hybrid, to use between dac and integrated amp??
    Yup - they sound the same as all the other VdH carbon/carbon hybrids - bland and rolled off.

    There is a certain rightness about the mids that is good at first, but my attention soon starts to wander because of the dynamic blandness.
    Last edited by JANDL100; 15-06-2011 at 04:21 PM.
    Life's too short for boring hifi!

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    Between my Sonos or Meridian 200 transport and Audio Synthesis Dac, I've tried the VDH 75ohm pro triax, an Ecosse digital cable,the First and First Ultimate and the Audio Synthesis 75ohm Silver Blue Triax. The best of these is definitely the Audio Synthesis. I think single core rather than stranded gives better resolution and a true 75ohm measurement is key to getting the best results (that's obviously on the RCA connection). Audio Synthesis wins the day yet again. My faith in that company just gets stronger as my experience grows. Not only do they use high quality components, but they have some of the best test measuring equipment available, so you know that it's real science, not subjective.

    Quote Originally Posted by greygoose View Post
    Does anyone have any experience of van den hul Integration Hybrid, to use between dac and integrated amp??

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    LOL.

    It is a testament to the undemanding nature of audio signal transmission that you can lash up some interconnects out of spark plug leads and they will work - at least after a fashion.

    It is a testament to the perversity of human nature that some people will earnestly believe the lash-up to be an improvement!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Blasted View Post
    This thread reminded me to check eBay where I reported a seller for passing off his own cables made up using VdH cable and Neutrik Rean phonos as the genuine article. His cables are no longer for sale, good.
    This always cracks me up - it's like Bonnie and Clyde complaining that some people calling themselves Ronnie and Claude are robbing their banks and it's not fair and boo hoo!

    Grow up, children - the "fakes" will sound just the same.

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    I once hooked up the speakers with two core electrical cable, and it sounded way better than I imagined.

    If I cryo'd it ............

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    Quote Originally Posted by notevenclose View Post
    Ooh. Tetchy...

    If you want to see badly/cheaply made, try poking about inside your Sonus Fabers...
    I have, very nicely made actually, unlike the chipboard kings at AN.

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