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    Quote Originally Posted by Marthas dad

    Carry on like this and I'll Facebook your mum.
    My mum has Alzheimer's and isn't on Facebook.
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    I've had another look at the Sarah Morris one and I like it even more, in fact I would like a poster of it. FWIW it makes no difference to me what it is supposed to be, the fact it's supposed to represent Big Ben in some way means nothing to me and has no influence over my enjoyment of it.

    I just like it
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    Well cum to da sick UK olympicalz innit. u jus gotta sho dem drawingz respek wam boyz.
    I don't like stuff that sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by browellm View Post
    My mum has Alzheimer's and isn't on Facebook.
    Are you really a Moderator with over 7000 posts. . . . interesting. And btw i- my Mum's dead and isn't on Facebook either. Have the last word on me - whatever.

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    Adamdea, you miss my point entirely. My view is that by trying to discuss it, you cannot appreciate it or disregard it without intelectualising it. Trying to intelectualise that which we can know nothing about, is bollocks, it's Pseudo intelectual, and I can't be doing with it.

    To me, when it comes to art you either like something or you don't. It's an emotional reaction that doesn't need or deserve discussion. I love Sashimi, many find it repulsive. There is nothing further to discuss in the matter without becoming ridiculous in the process. Art to me is the same. I may be wrong, but that is how I feel about art.

    To get back on topic, as posters these works of art are shit - that's my view. But perhaps the point of these posters is not to advertise the olympics, perhaps the point of them is to be sold in the gift shops as momentos, so they should be judged as works of art after all. In which case I am wrong to dismiss them. For mew though. as works of art, I don't really like them much. Most of them I find childish and totally without any merit whatsoever and a couple are mildly amusing and nice to look at.

    Your view on them is neither here nor there to me. But sneering at people for saying they don't like them doesn't further your argument any.

    As for identifying works that I enjoyed in the Tait, I couldn't, not many. I rarely take notice of who it is by, I just look at it and either enjoy it or not. I am not going to buy it, I am certainly not going to try and discuss it with anyone. It's just me and it.

    Favourite thing ever.. Anish Kapoor's Red Wax.. (not at the Tait, Natch). Doris Salcedo's crack (ohh matron) was marvelous. No idea why, but it was (to me at least, many thought it was just a crack and they are right too). I saw some video art at the Pompidou a few weeks ago that had me gripped for ages. I like a lot of art, but I don't feel the need to defend that which I find either cynical or simply ermm.. sorry but crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marthas dad View Post
    Are you really a Moderator with over 7000 posts. . . . interesting. And btw i- my Mum's dead and isn't on Facebook either. Have the last word on me - whatever.
    So could you explain your point then? Because genuinely, you haven't made one.
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    Originally Posted by browellm My mum has Alzheimer's and isn't on Facebook.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marthas dad View Post
    Are you really a Moderator with over 7000 posts. . . . interesting. And btw i- my Mum's dead and isn't on Facebook either. Have the last word on me - whatever.
    Have a spat by all means, but that is a tad too much, even for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hifiwigwam View Post
    Adamdea, you miss my point entirely. My view is that by trying to discuss it, you cannot appreciate it or disregard it without intelectualising it. Trying to intelectualise that which we can know nothing about, is bollocks, it's Pseudo intelectual, and I can't be doing with it.


    To me, when it comes to art you either like something or you don't. It's an emotion


    al reaction that doesn't need or deserve discussion. I love Sashimi, many find it repulsive. There is nothing further to discuss in the matter without becoming ridiculous in the process. Art to me is the same. I may be wrong, but that is how I feel about art.

    To get back on topic, as posters these works of art are shit - that's my view. As works of art, I don't really like them much. Most of them I find childish and totally without any merit whatsoever and a couple are mildly amusing and nice to look at.

    Your view on them is neither here nor there to me. But sneering at people for saying they don't like them doesn't further your
    I'm sorry but all you are doing is repeating what is effectively a purely subjectivist mantra which boils down to an assertion that no expression of taste can be analysed, backed up or justified: all tastes are like preferences for strawberry or chocolate ice cream. And yet you insist on banging on about your own entirely unjustifed and tiresome views as though they should be of any interest to anyone else.
    Last edited by adamdea; 08-11-2011 at 12:26 AM. Reason: Reflection

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    Quote Originally Posted by hifiwigwam View Post
    I think the Arts get the funding they deserve. If they are good, people will pay to enjoy them. If they are not, they won't.

    I think the public funding of the "arts" is a fucking disgraceful waste of tax payer's money.
    No the disgraceful waste of tax payers money is Covent Garden Opera House

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marthas dad View Post
    Sorry James (:-)), I nearly fell off my chair laughing at this. I used to visit the Wam for help and info on Hi-Fi - I am returning visits for almost "brass Eye' style relief, the thread regarding Travellers recently was a gas! And thank God a Mod deleted a post in the Japanese Hi Fi show thread which I could not believe had been posted.

    i speak as someone who grew up in a caravan and worked for the Arts Council for many years. The former due to poverty and the latter because of a love of supporting and developing innovative, imaginative art.
    Get off your high horse


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    Quote Originally Posted by hifiwigwam View Post
    Adamdea, you miss my point entirely. My view is that by trying to discuss it, you cannot appreciate it or disregard it without intelectualising it. Trying to intelectualise that which we can know nothing about, is bollocks, it's Pseudo intelectual, and I can't be doing with it.

    To me, when it comes to art you either like something or you don't. It's an emotional reaction that doesn't need or deserve discussion. I love Sashimi, many find it repulsive. There is nothing further to discuss in the matter without becoming ridiculous in the process. Art to me is the same. I may be wrong, but that is how I feel about art.

    To get back on topic, as posters these works of art are shit - that's my view. But perhaps the point of these posters is not to advertise the olympics, perhaps the point of them is to be sold in the gift shops as momentos, so they should be judged as works of art after all. In which case I am wrong to dismiss them. For mew though. as works of art, I don't really like them much. Most of them I find childish and totally without any merit whatsoever and a couple are mildly amusing and nice to look at.

    Your view on them is neither here nor there to me. But sneering at people for saying they don't like them doesn't further your argument any.

    As for identifying works that I enjoyed in the Tait, I couldn't, not many. I rarely take notice of who it is by, I just look at it and either enjoy it or not. I am not going to buy it, I am certainly not going to try and discuss it with anyone. It's just me and it.

    Favourite thing ever.. Anish Kapoor's Red Wax.. (not at the Tait, Natch). Doris Salcedo's crack (ohh matron) was marvelous. No idea why, but it was (to me at least, many thought it was just a crack and they are right too). I saw some video art at the Pompidou a few weeks ago that had me gripped for ages. I like a lot of art, but I don't feel the need to defend that which I find either cynical or simply ermm.. sorry but crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by It Cost How Much!?! View Post

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMooN View Post
    Aye , Not a patch on The Fallen Madonna with the Big Boobies by Van Klomp
    Now THAT'S art

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloth-Ears View Post
    Why would anyone need to have their taste "backed up" or have it "analysed" ?

    W.t.f. ?

    That's just bizarre ! Elitist too I suggest.

    Pardon me for speaking up, I mean me, a mere cat and art ignoramous, but it does seem obvious to me that your way of thinking here is wanky to say the least !
    Is it really so surprising that someone might take the view that expressions of artistic taste might have slightly more to them than "I like the way chocolate ice cream tastes".
    I am not claiming to be an expert at all, but I would say that for example mark cousin's views on film might for example have more breadth of reference and depth of insight than my 11 year old daughter. Equally I would say that most people's views on say eisenstein or at least the way thry held them, would change quite quickly following learning even some basic material about his place in the development of certain cinematic techniques.
    Would you seriously argue that say Nicholas serota's views on say Joseph Beuys would be qualitatively similar to that of a randomn man on the street. I am not saying his views are necessarily "better" in any abstract sense but he may has views and preferences based on quite complex reasoning about how this artists fits into or doesnt fit into a tradition, or relates to the work of other artists.
    Putting it another way, would you think that my views on say Lionel messi's status in the pantheon of footballers would be given equal weight to Alex ferguson's?

    If I visit a gallery and have a reaction to a work, then I discuss it with other people, go and read about it, maybe look up other works by the same artists, and perhaps learn about other works which might have influenced it, I will feel the my views on it have developed. I may conclude that the work is so derivative and that I would not have liked it at first had I realised how unoriginal it was. That is not the same as saying that my original reaction should be ignored, or that I was wrong; but I may feel that my later view was more well founded.
    It's really about the practice of holding and examining your own views rather than necessarily feeling the need to justify them. In this sense I think aesthetic views are similar to moral ones.
    Perhaps I should just stick to " the un examined life is not worth living".

    Now if that makes me wanky then I put my left hand up, and I'll show you my right hand in a minute.
    Last edited by adamdea; 08-11-2011 at 12:28 AM.

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    Here's a nice, cat-friendly poster:



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    Quote Originally Posted by meninblack View Post
    Here's a nice, cat-friendly poster:



    Now that tells me something about the Olympics! It shows strength, determination and the competitive spirit. All good stuff.

    S.

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    Gotta love those aryan supermen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SergeAuckland View Post
    Now that tells me something about the Olympics! It shows strength, determination and the competitive spirit. All good stuff.

    S.
    For me it shows a grumpy bloke just after he had his arse handed to him by Jesse Owens. He's holding a pitchfork and getting ready to put his Klan hat on. For whatever reason, he's receiving support from Micheal York in his Logan's Run era form.
    The saddest day of your life isn't when you decide to sell out. The saddest day of your life is when you decide to sell out and nobody wants to buy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by i_should_coco View Post
    Gotta love those aryan supermen.
    Don't fancy yours much. Come to think of it, don't fancy mine much either.
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    That poster sums up what a lot of people find uncomfortable in the olympics - the displacement of feelings of national/ maybe even racial competition. If you did it now you would probably have to intend it satirically
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