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    Penguin Classical Guide Rosette winner database(good foundation for collection?)

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    Always a good start - you may find ones you prefer to the Rosette recordings, but they are usually very good
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    Don't always agree with them - have got a copy of one of the editions of the Penguin guide, I forget which, but consult the Gramophone Guide (and EMG Monthly letter for vintage classical vinyl) as well. Best thing is to read widely and above all listen to performances.

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    They are infamously over-generous with the rosettes, and even some three star stuff. Mind you, they are about 300 years old between them, so what the state of their hearing is can only be guessed, plus their prejudices are really obvious to regular Gramophone or past Penguin Guide readers . But I still consult past editions religiously, great night time reading...

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    BBC Radio3 CD Review is good - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006tmtz

    The Brandenburg scrutiny this week showed what a great idea it is to have several approaches thrown at the ears in short order. Sadly it only dealt with piano and harpsichord recordings - I go for the accordion and viol consort too(!)

    The "Record of the Week" back list (rough equivalent of rosette) is on the site. Hope international access is not impossible.
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    Sounds like mean spirit.

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    [QUOTE=barry2tone;1199905]BBC Radio3 CD Review is good - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006tmtz

    The Brandenburg scrutiny this week showed what a great idea it is to have several approaches thrown at the ears in short order. Sadly it only dealt with piano and harpsichord recordings - I go for the accordion and viol consort too(!)
    QUOTE]

    Errr? Don't you mean 'Goldberg'? I played some of the Uri Caine version this morning. There's wacky for you.

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    Oops, yes you are entirely correct. Thanks, Phil

    Obviously I wasn't as on the ball as I thought myself at 3 a.m.


    Quote Originally Posted by gilfachphil View Post

    Errr? Don't you mean 'Goldberg'? I played some of the Uri Caine version this morning. There's wacky for you.

    Phil.
    Sounds like mean spirit.

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    I don't care what anyone says - the Penguin Guide is the BUSINESS! :-)
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    I have our original bought-then 1982 1st edition of 'The New Penguin (looks like an auk) Stereo Record And Cassette Guide' - paperbok - if anyone wants to buy it. 5.95 original price + conveyance.

    I disagreed with most of the entries I read. Others believe it was the last Bible before digits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nicedoc441 View Post
    I don't care what anyone says - the Penguin Guide is the BUSINESS! :-)
    Neither should you care. Each to his own.
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    I'd also take them with a pinch of salt - more of a way of shortlisting than anything else. I always used to read the copies of Penguin/Gramo/Classical Guide at hmv / virgin before making a purchase. The most reliable I've found is often CD Review imo. And some of the people here

    There's also talkclassical.com - anyone tried it? It's like a whole wigwam just for classical, except not as much of a sense of community from my limited experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicedoc441 View Post
    I don't care what anyone says - the Penguin Guide is the BUSINESS! :-)
    Agreed
    It may not be a Bible per say but it is certainly (I mean the paper version published in 1996) a reference guide with lots of versions of titles properly commented. Hradly found any comment at 180 of the reality. I always consult it before buying any CD or vinyl.

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    It's just three people's opinions, actually usually one for different areas. Prejudices are fairly easy to spot once you have read a few entries. Generally enthusiastic about British artists.

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    as an overview for a.beginner, it is great...and even for an enthusiast. it is ALL opinion, everywhere, innit?? the point becomes how much weight these opinions hold.....and theyve been in the business a while!
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    Quote Originally Posted by duncan View Post
    It's just three people's opinions, actually usually one for different areas. Prejudices are fairly easy to spot once you have read a few entries. Generally enthusiastic about British artists.


    I agree with some of their Rosette awards, but not others.

    But yes, for a beginner, it's a decent place to start.
    And tbh I do often see if they've listed a recording I am interested in - but there are many that aren't listed, so your selecting from a small sample size anyway.
    Life's too short for boring hifi!

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    Teddy Ray, great link. I used to work in Leamington Spa and used to visit the Presto shop regularly for my classical CDs. In fact I can safely say that they helped get in to classical music when I first got an interest in it. It was a great little shop, sheet music upstairs and the cds downstairs, then they moved across to a different road and lovely new premises.

    It used to be great having this shop and the expertise just down the road from where I worked and spending a happy lunch time, when I wasn't in the pub that is, browsing through the classical and small jazz section they had.

    All this nostalgia from a happier time.

    As for the Penguins, they a re good indication of solid recordings and decent interpretations to start with but no doubt as you get more experienced you'll end up finding your own favourite interpretations.

    there was a while where they did them packaged up to match the old Pengiun Classics books - a nice touch I thought. I still think the Dutoit/Montreal Planets, that came packaged up in this way from an original Decca release (I think), is still one of my favourites and one of the best recorded as well.
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    When I was younger I used the Penguin guide as my bible. Most good commercial recordings these days are different only in interpretation and recorded acoustic usually. You could hear one interpretation that you simply dislike. Abaddo's Brahms symphonies with the BPO were a huge turn off for me yet the composer, conductor and orchestra are among my favourites.

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    My original 1st edition Penguin is not as good/useful as online reviews etc.
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    I've always found it a pretty good guide, in that much of its recommendations accord with my particular tastes and preferences. For example, I regard the Gardiner live San Marco recording of Monteverdi's Vespers to be the best there is. Nobody else does, except Penguin.

    OK, it's confirming my particular prejudices, but then all our musical tastes are not selected on rational bases. We like what we like, end of story. The Seventh Day Authenticists may regard Andrew Parrott's version as more authentic, but personally I think that it would more usefully be marketed in tablet form - it would wipe Valium off the market overnight. And naturally there are folk who will think precisely the reverse.

    The musical experience isn't be the same for everyone, so a number of sources should be consulted - but Penguin should be one of them.
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