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    That's the point though, If I was spending any money (or had already spent it) there may well be expectation bias; but I haven't spent any money and I won't be doing so (I'm not looking to improve a cable I already own). I entirely accept that expectation bias exists; indeed, I would say it is the primary force influencing many audiophiles buying decisions. It's just that, in this case, I have taken care that it's influence is limited - what expectations I am taking with me are more inclined towards the negative than the positive.

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    Blimey, this is all getting a bit heavy!

    The problem with all hifi and the ancillaries is that it's all so bloody subjective; everyone hears things differently.

    All I know is I hear differences in different cables so there must be something in it.

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    OOOHHHHH Handbags!

    I might have somebody coming to my house tonight to do another evaluation. I PROMISE that I will blindfold them as soon as they come through the door. It will save me tidying up as well. Watch this space!
    Don\'t listen to the system, listen to the music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YNWAN View Post
    I've just been loaned four cables by a manufacturer where the only difference between them are the plugs used.
    Have you had a chance to listen yet? Or as you now MUST be blindfolded you are unable to find your system, let alone the interconnects! Seriously though I will be interested in seeing your comments. Have fun listening.
    Don\'t listen to the system, listen to the music.

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    Two of the cables were a bit delayed - just arrived today; I've not had a listen yet.

    It's not easy to change cables with your eyes shut you know - even less easy to hand cue a record!

    ;)

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    Pure silver is a better conductor than copper, copper is a better conductor than brass, the better the connection....Screw WBT's tho, CMC make a plug which does the same job at 1/10th of the price.

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    WBT's are brass. They are cheap, and plated to sell.

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    I know how much the WBT's in question were..........I don't consider them to be cheap(unless your numbers came up last night!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by loosend View Post
    Pure silver is a better conductor than copper, copper is a better conductor than brass, the better the connection....Screw WBT's tho, CMC make a plug which does the same job at 1/10th of the price.
    If there are sound differences between connectors it's most certainly not down to conductivity. The output impedance of the preceding stage (and the cable itself) will have an order of magnitude or two more resistance than the connector and will completely swamp any conductance differences in the connector material.
    The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side.

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    I am inclined to agree with RichG.

    I don't know if the WBT's are brass. These, the most current, claim to be either copper (gold plated), or silver (irrespective of what they are made of they are certainly an elaborate construction - this may be good, bad or irrelevant). I have some copper Eichmann plugs on my own interconnect and these are definitely copper as the gold plate has worn off a spot on one of the pins and the pin is obviously copper underneath (not brass). The Canare and ProFi plugs definitely are gold plated brass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leopard View Post
    WBT's are brass. They are cheap, and plated to sell.
    The cu are solid copper, the au solid silver. I thought that was the whole point of WBT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leopard View Post
    WBT's are brass. They are cheap, and plated to sell.
    Not Quite ~ According to the manufacturer the Conductors sported on the NextGen are high purity Copper, Gold plated or Silver ,respectivly , some of the elements making up the body of the connector are plated Alloys .

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    Quote Originally Posted by clap View Post
    The cu are solid copper, the au solid silver. I thought that was the whole point of WBT.
    Yep, pretty much (the copper ones are, very thin, gold plated though).
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    I've got yet another cable that has these Neotech locking RCA connectors (a very different cable design to the Mark Grant though) - these connectors have been used quite a bit and very much look like gold plated brass:



    They aren't very nice to use - once they have been tightened they are a bit of a PITA to undo.
    Last edited by YNWAN; 15-04-2012 at 10:47 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leopard View Post
    WBT's are brass. They are cheap, and plated to sell.
    What even the solid silver ones?

    Sorry didn't the read the post a couple before making a comment!
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    My favourite RCAs are these from Neutrik. The build quality is as good as anything and I've never seen the gold plating wear off dspite much abuse. They also have one great advantage that the earth always makes contact first so that if you happen to connect them with your gear turned on you don't get any nasty noises. Much cheaper than foo plugs too.

    http://www.neutrik.com/en/video/phon...ctors/nf2c-b-2
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    Those exact ones are fitted to one of the MG cables. I've not used them before and they are a bit different compared to other RCA's. Initially, you press them in and the return pushes back into the plug (I notice this is sprung loaded and free to rotate - presumably there is some sort of sprung wiper that makes contact), you then have to make a second, quite firm, push to seat them properly, almost lick a 'click'. I wonder how many people fail to make the second firm push and only push until the ground connection is retracted...quite a few I suspect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YNWAN View Post
    I wonder how many people fail to make the second firm push and only push until the ground connection is retracted...quite a few I suspect.
    I guess this is very possible, but it's never been an issue for me. It's pretty obvious when they are sitting right as you can feel them 'take' and it's an easy single action. Not tricky at all.
    The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichG View Post
    My favourite RCAs are these from Neutrik. The build quality is as good as anything and I've never seen the gold plating wear off dspite much abuse. They also have one great advantage that the earth always makes contact first so that if you happen to connect them with your gear turned on you don't get any nasty noises. Much cheaper than foo plugs too.

    http://www.neutrik.com/en/video/phon...ctors/nf2c-b-2
    Pac67 made me some interconnects with those Neutrik plugs, they are fantastic for the price and put more expensive cables to shame.
    They look alright too, I don't want to pay extra for my cables to look amazing, they sit behind my rack out of sight
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    What the Eddie Cuurent effect that the Eichmann / Next gens are supposed to combat?
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