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    Quote Originally Posted by bencat View Post
    I have to be honest and say I have wanted to try this sort of unit ever since I read about an original one devised by AR many years ago. I also read the articles about the Lyngdorf and TAct units and wished I could have at least heard them . Sadly never had a local dealer who stocked anyhting like this. Would really like to try it out in my room but I am little too far away . Will read the results with interest and if you ever decide to offer a unit for home trials let me know.

    I know these type of units often come with a mic to use for setting up but anyone I have talked to has always said if you get a better really good mic to use then it will make a difference is thsi the case ? Or has the unit been carefully calibrated to the mic supplied and takes in to account all the mic faults (they all have them just some worse than others ) .
    I would think a high end mic would offer a more accurate measurement but am yet to test this, I know of a few members with mics suitable so I may enquire to borrow a unit or two for research.


    As for home trials/demos I am so confident in this product that I will offer a 7 day money back guarantee. If you have room problems this will fix them - fact.

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    Jack looking at the unit it also has a digital in and out so can you just connect it that way directly into your DAC or is the other way round you Dac to the unit then out ? Shame if does go that way as keeping all of the work in digital form as long as possible would be sensible.
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    Hi Andrew, the unit is a Dac and has digital in and out so can be used either way, I'll try and give you more info later this evening as I am out on site all day today.
    Thanks, Jack
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    Jack - considering you are working on site it was nice of you to even bother to answer. Do not worry I am sure I can read all that I need to through the mfg website you just concentrate on doing what you need to .
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    Really interested in this as one of my bugbears about modern hifi is the elimintation of tone controls on most amps. Just think of the amount of box and cable swapping that might be avoided if your existing boxes gave you more options to tweak the sound. This looks like a really neat and sensibly priced solution & would love to try one (or a similar device) when funds permit.

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    Looking forward to reading the reviews once the home demo's start.
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    I have had one of the Dual Cores for a couple of weeks now. Unfortunately I've not had much chance to play with it, but it is dead easy to set up and works very effectively to remove boom. I am only using it on the base signal and could have got away with two 8033s units (the pass band on the original 8033c was too low for me), but the additional cost for a Dual core was not much and it is much more flexible.

    It could also act as
    - a pre (with room correction, tone controls, and optional subsonic filter)
    - a DAC (with room correction, tone controls, and optional subsonic filter)
    - a DAC+Pre (with room correction, tone controls, and optional subsonic filter)
    - DSP between CD deck and DAC

    You can also set high-pass and low-pass filters (customisable), so that you could have one dual core per channel for active biamping in any of the above configurations. I believe it will be possible to link units with theforthcoming firmware releases.

    exhausts all the possibilities. My only complaint are:
    - that the mic lead is a little too short, so I'll probably have to get/make and extension.
    - The maximum input voltages (1.65V RCA and 1.35V balanced) seem to be a little low given CDPs output 2V. However, I've been told there will be an option to attenuate the input signal on the next firmware release,so these limits will be approximately doubled.

    I have to concur about the price offered here; it is a fair bit cheaper than buying it on line from the manufacturer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parkandbike View Post
    My only complaint are:
    - that the mic lead is a little too short, so I'll probably have to get/make and extension.
    - The maximum input voltages (1.65V RCA and 1.35V balanced) seem to be a little low given CDPs output 2V. However, I've been told there will be an option to attenuate the input signal on the next firmware release,so these limits will be approximately doubled.

    I have to concur about the price offered here; it is a fair bit cheaper than buying it on line from the manufacturer.
    Just had confirmation that I will be sent a firmware fix for the input voltage on Monday, If you would like me to send it to yourself drop me an email and I will send it across with pleasure.

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    Now where have I seen that before. Thanks for coming over today Jack, I think you'll agree we had an interesting time this afternoon. All in, a good result, certainly had a great affect on the bass hump in my room.

    Thanks for bringing the Ming Da Phono Stage too, I'll have to have a longer listening session with that once I've got my TT sorted. First impressions are very good though.

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    Connected my AppleTv to the Dualcore this morning via the optical in, everything worked instantly, streaming Blur from our PC as I type, much simpler than the squeezebox setup and a nice big menu on the TV screen for selecting tunes, I like it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdur View Post
    Connected my AppleTv to the Dualcore this morning via the optical in, everything worked instantly, streaming Blur from our PC as I type, much simpler than the squeezebox setup and a nice big menu on the TV screen for selecting tunes, I like it!
    Good god man you have a TV in your listening room ? What sort of audiophile are you !!!!!
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    A practical one most likely, I've got one in mine connecteed to my mac mini only, so I can choose which tunes and surf t'web at the same time.
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    I have my setup in the Lounge where I can listen to music with my family. It's a rule of the wife but I'm happy enough.
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    Jack sorry I meant the comment as joke nothing too serious. I know that I am lucky to have a music room but no one else in the family would ever sit through the music I play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdur View Post
    Just had confirmation that I will be sent a firmware fix for the input voltage on Monday, If you would like me to send it to yourself drop me an email and I will send it across with pleasure.
    Word from the manufacturer, an update is available today via the site, I will happily update the product before shipping if required.
    http://www.dspeaker.com/en/products/...e-update.shtml

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    Stocked items ready to ship Friday.
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    Looks interesting.

    Even after reading the online manual I am still a little confused.

    If one has a system comprising either:
    1. analog source/passive pre/power amp/four way passive speakers or full range speakers (sometimes with a sub - sometimes without a sub - the sub input in my system is taken from a spare output on the pre (rather than from the power amp speaker terminals)) or
    2. same as above but a digital source with an existing DAC feeding the pre/power amp,
    where does this unit go in the system?
    Is it adjusting the signal (be it analog or digital ) between the source and the pre/power amp or does it only adjust a signal from a digital source using its own DACs? Where does that leave my existing (good) DAC in the equation? The manual refers to the use of powered speakers - is that just because it is aimed at the pro market?

    Based on the above which version should I consider - stereo or dual core? Excuse my dumb questions but they may help others as well!

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    Hi

    My only interest in these is that I have just bought a Dual Core

    "Based on the above which version should I consider - stereo or dual core?"

    The 8033S is not really a stereo device; it can accept stereo signals and output them to a mono sub. If you have two subs you could use two of these or two of the cheaper 8033Cs.

    The 8033s and 8033c have a limited pass-band (can't remember exactly, but around 250Hz in the case of the 8033S), so they cannot be used to feed full-range speakers. The Dual Core passes the full frequency range and offers correction up to 500Hz (among other things)

    "If one has a system comprising either:
    1. analog source/passive pre/power amp/four way passive speakers or full range speakers (sometimes with a sub - sometimes without a sub - the sub input in my system is taken from a spare output on the pre (rather than from the power amp speaker terminals)) or
    2. same as above but a digital source with an existing DAC feeding the pre/power amp,
    where does this unit go in the system?"

    It depends what you want to do and which you buy. The 8033C or 8033S would go in the line to the sub and the Dual Core could be used there also.

    In 1) you could also put it between your passive pre and your power amp, but you should look at the input impedance and decide if that would work with a passive (I think Speedy Steve uses his 8033Cs this way, but he uses a TVC not a resistive pre). Assuming your DAC feeds the power amp directly rather than going through your passive pre it would obviously have no impact on CD replay in this position.

    in 2) you could put the Dual Core between the CDP and DAC (optical connection only) or between the DAC and power amp. Obviously it would have no impact on your analogue replay. I use it between "DAC" and power amps, because I only have an integrated CDP rather than a transport and DAC , however I only use it for my bass amps, so I am not using a lot of its functionality.

    "Is it adjusting the signal (be it analog or digital) between the source and the pre/power amp or does it only adjust a signal from a digital source using its own DACs?"
    If you feed it digital, it can output digital, or analogue using its own DACs. If you feed it analogue, it converts to digital using its ADCs , processes the signal and reconverts to analogue using its DACs

    "Where does that leave my existing (good) DAC in the equation?"
    Good question; theoretically you would not need it. I’ll leave Jack to comment if he wants to, but the same concern coupled with an aversion to introducing two more analogue/digital conversions to the mid frequency signal is why I currently only use the Antimode in the base line. That is not to say that it would be inferior to the DACs in my CDP DAC; I don’t know, because I have not compared them.
    Last edited by Parkandbike; 16-05-2012 at 09:56 AM. Reason: typing!

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