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    In reality, it's been a while since I even had a system. But, to start with, it could do with some more bass extension. Hoping the lab subs will fill that in. Eventually, I would like to move on from the folded LF horns as they have some notable cabinet resonances.

    Once that's sorted. I can assess where I am with amplifiers. I'd like a balanced step up transformer for the cartridge to help with noise issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by i_should_coco View Post
    In reality, it's been a while since I even had a system. But, to start with, it could do with some more bass extension. Hoping the lab subs will fill that in. Eventually, I would like to move on from the folded LF horns as they have some notable cabinet resonances.

    Once that's sorted. I can assess where I am with amplifiers. I'd like a balanced step up transformer for the cartridge to help with noise issues.
    Fixt....


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    The labs are bigger and uglier!
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    my problem jack was just the opposite , specs said ports tuned to 26 hz and i couldn't get below 40ish seems as they were designed yonks ago that they like old amplification now with the sansui split for a pre and the magnum mf250 they are , well vey very revealing bass is as the specs stated , you know when you can feel bass rattling through your sofa , well you can feel those rare subsonic notes on tracks rattling through your body a nd 2xmids and a tweeter + a super tweeter there is an abundance of detail to go with it , and bass is not the one note kinda thing (i played bass when i was younger) its a case of following the the beat every bass note and kick drum is as real as it needs to be i'm not here to diss anyones' products or indeed anyones' system , but if you have so much bass issues in a room from speakers , imho , they will always be a bit of a compromise and you can treat your room to death and spend a lot of £'s for just a little bit better , as i said i have no knowledge of room measurement etc and graphs are , well squiggly lines , my journey was a long one and i figured it out by myself , and of course horses for courses , i am not one of those aniliticall guys , just like music to sound like music , but as stated i would not mind if you came and measured my room to see if i could improve on what i've got
    Quote Originally Posted by bigdur View Post
    Any advise I give will be noted as biased but tbh if you have bass issues with your room and you swop for speakers producing less bass output have you fixed the problem? If you treat the room with either physical or digital correction you will get better results. Have you tried that approach Tommy or did you only try swopping speakers?
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    Eventually, I would like to move on from the folded LF horns



    Have you moved somewhere big enough for straight ones then?!

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    There's nothing wrong with my system, the problem lies entirely with me.

    (I bet someone else has already said this, but I can't be arsed to read 8 pages to find out how un-original I am).
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    Not really, but I now have a dedicated room, which might just accommodate some mid bass ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by i_should_coco View Post
    Perhaps part of what drives this hobby is a psychological condition.
    And there I think you have it.

    My system sounds fine (to me), but I still have these irrational urges to make random changes just in case it might sound better. It rarely does and I end up wishing I hadn't bothered. The only really memorable positive change I have made in the last 20 years was from ss to valve amplification. All the other changes have been sideways moves, different but not better. I have found the urge to make continual changes just for the sake of it declines with age, a bit like sex really
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    Quote Originally Posted by i_should_coco View Post
    Not really, but I now have a dedicated room, which might just accommodate some mid bass ones.
    Nice... Thats what is "wrong" with mine too. I thought for a moment that you were going to have some bass horns sticking out the side of the house!

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    Hehe, no not quite that mad!
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    I guess the external power supply for my Kuzma would help - sounds very good already but as they say " every little helps" - oh, and a f'kin expensive mains block and some tannoy st200 super tweeters - i guess as it is now but better - simply because that little monster on the shoulder says buy more hifi .....so add a top flight mc to replace my already excellent benz ace too - oh, okay just gimme the Westminster's and be done with it............

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    Quote Originally Posted by peez View Post
    I guess the external power supply for my Kuzma would help - sounds very good already but as they say " every little helps" - oh, and a f'kin expensive mains block and some tannoy st200 super tweeters - i guess as it is now but better - simply because that little monster on the shoulder says buy more hifi .....so add a top flight mc to replace my already excellent benz ace too - oh, okay just gimme the Westminster's and be done with it............
    I had one of them. Very good, but much better out there

    The Kuzma will support it!
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    but what though ?

    Quote Originally Posted by pmac View Post
    I had one of them. Very good, but much better out there

    The Kuzma will support it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by peez View Post
    but what though ?
    Well, for me it was a Transfiguration Spirit, which was lovely, but the big leap was an AN Io1. murdered the others!

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    thats an interesting idea....................

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    Every time I get to the point of having a really nice, well balanced system, an urge for 'creative destruction' seems to break out and I start changing things radically. Several times this had resulted in years of trying to get back where I started.

    I guess this reflects a tension between, on the one hand, simply enjoying music through a really nice system, and on the other, being really curious about what it's like to live with radically different setups.

    I'm trying to change this though: I've had the Tannoys now for three years, and at the front end I've been getting more and more Audio Note/Kondo as time passes (can't see the Voyd/Arm3/Io being changed any time soon, or the AN transport and DAC). Being pretty satisfied with front end and speakers, there is only really the amp to think about and I'm hoping the incoming EAR V20 will stablize that for a while.

    This time though I'm already building up a cheaper second system which (finances permitting) will allow me to muck around with different bits without messing up the main setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by montesquieu View Post
    Every time I get to the point of having a really nice, well balanced system, an urge for 'creative destruction' seems to break out and I start changing things radically. Several times this had resulted in years of trying to get back where I started.

    I guess this reflects a tension between, on the one hand, simply enjoying music through a really nice system, and on the other, being really curious about what it's like to live with radically different setups.

    I'm trying to change this though: I've had the Tannoys now for three years, and at the front end I've been getting more and more Audio Note/Kondo as time passes (can't see the Voyd/Arm3/Io being changed any time soon, or the AN transport and DAC). Being pretty satisfied with front end and speakers, there is only really the amp to think about and I'm hoping the incoming EAR V20 will stablize that for a while.

    This time though I'm already building up a cheaper second system which (finances permitting) will allow me to muck around with different bits without messing up the main setup.
    A wise old friend of mine once said of HiFi, it's best to have a 'reference system' that changes very slowly over time, then keep the 'novelty gene' at bay with second/third systems where you try out bits and pieces. Then at least you don't sell the farm and ruin everything every time you get that itch. You have to find a workable way of dealing with the constant flow of irresistable audio goodies in the mags and forums.

    He had the same ARC pre and EAR monos for 18 years, but still bought and tried out loads of new kit and vintage gear. It kept his reference system intact and didn't break the bank.

    His reference setup is all Nagra now...a wise man indeed!

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    Realistic Bass at concert levels. room with a flat response, professional noise standard (NR 10 no higher than 15)

    http://tech.ebu.ch/docs/tech/tech3276.pdf


    speaker wise.. itll have to be something big. Kunoshita RM-7VC or like the Evolution Acoustics MM-7 or the Tom Perazella custom build.




    so ruler flat response at all frequencies, bass response down to 10-15 Hz.


    of course by the time I am able to afford the house and size space to put the damned things in who knows what will be out there?

    other than the bass thing though, and my room...system is perfect as is
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    My system is perfect. There is always room for more perfection, but I have quite a good quota right now. To paraphrase Animal Farm, most systems are perfect but some are more perfect than others!

    I think the main problem with many dabblers in hifi is that lack of objectivity. Hifi tends to be an aspirational pursuit and if you are not objective in that pursuit you find yourself chasing the brand or the look or the kudos. I agree that everyone should measure their system. That does not have to mean that you then pursue a ruler flat measurement, it just means you know where the problems are and if you are totally happy with your system you have a benchmark. Look (as well as listen) to the effects of tweaks and changes and note those changes. At least you are then informed about what the differences in measurement sound like.
    Let me get this straight. You take a perfectly good CD and put it in a DVD player??!!

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    The best thing to do is get around and hear other Wammer's set ups. It will either give you ideas about what you might like to try if you are concerned about any aspect, or provide a bit of satisfaction with what you have.

    I don't think most upgrading or box swapping happens because people have identified a problem with what they hear as such, more likely it's just curiosity or some nagging insecurity that they might have done better with a different choice. Going out and hearing a few systems can give you ideas, or make you feel less concerned with other possibilities, win-win.

    The happy position is to be pleased to play music rather than do anything else. I'm sure I could improve my system in terms of the usual desirables such as increased resolution, more scale etc., who couldn't? But I'm equally confident that it wouldn't be a cheap exercise and changing the balance of what I currently enjoy could just as easily spoil things. Maybe that explains why I've not changed anything for so long. Finding the best mastered versions of favourite albums has diverted my audiophile OCD away from gear.
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