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    Quote Originally Posted by SSM View Post
    Oh Tones, I dunno how you could live with your dumpy 606 for over two decades. Its successor the 909 has great midrange resolution and impressive slam for orchestral tuttis, but its an inept weakling when called upon to delineate walking jazz basslines IMO. I've just played some Michael Buble - in "Me and Mrs Jones" the plucks on the double bass were rendered by the Elicit in such a highly articulate and legible way that I could hear how the double bassist was playing the notes with a wry seductiveness that complimented the lyrics of the song. Shivers down the spine moment!!! On this song, the 909 just mumbled its way through the basslines. Its 'control' over the deep bass is of a thud-thud-thud monotonal quality, I'm sad to say.

    This is quite a gulf in musical expression.

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    Solid, dear boy, amplifiers do not, repeat, not, do musical expression, they merely amplify electrical signals, and they all do it pretty much the same as any other, with the occasional minor (and generally completely insignificant) difference. You are hearing what you want to hear. Or the volume levels were different (it's amazing how often a slight difference in volume is characterised as "more dynamic"). However, I for one would never deny you the right to enjoyment of your honestly-held beliefs. And I find your single-handed support of the entire Tipocan hi-fi retail business wholly admirable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSM View Post
    Actually, it wasn't that close amongst the five. The Elicit cleaned up the other four IMO.

    The Rega dealership had changed hands since my first demo of the Elicit in June. The new dealer claimed to have given the showroom Elicit a very thorough run-in. I had the Saturn cdp and Naim-Focal 807V Chorus for the June demo and the Rega DAC and ATC SCM11 for last Thursday's demo. I was expecting to hear something similar but when the first sounds emerged it was like I got hit by a freight train. The soundstage was so deep and wide and open and the performers within it were so lifelike, it was a big shock to my mind and its pre-expectations. I wanted to buy the Elicit immediately.

    The Rega demo was second-last before the Destiny 2, which I saved for last because as a previous Creek EVO owner I thought it will be The One. Wrong! Although the Destiny 2 impressed me with its strengths, it didn't approach the Elicit's ability to make music sound so very life-like.

    Wow, 'DANA' and I are going to live together happily ever after.

    My Elicit is still running in and I have read online and been told by the dealer that it needs 150+ hours for the many quality discrete components inside to break in. Despite that, I'm already hearing signs of greatness emerging.
    That's the first unequivocally positive review I have ever read about the Rega Elicit, anywhere. Have Rega been toying with it "behind the scenes", I wonder...? Am curious to hear one now, I must admit.

    Pleased to see the Nait XS ran it close, though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tones View Post
    Solid, dear boy, amplifiers do not, repeat, not, do musical expression, they merely amplify electrical signals, and they all do it pretty much the same as any other, with the occasional minor (and generally completely insignificant) difference.
    Another way of putting this is all amplifiers do, repeat, do take something away from the original signal. When demanding speaker loads are involved there is something more taken away from the original signal. The amps that let the most through are the ones with the most musical expression, but some are intentionally coloured to try and emulate said expression.
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    No wonder Tones has owned his audio stuff for as long as his stuffy beliefs.
    In my case, it's very simple. The Elicit comes into the same setup vacated by the 909. Playing familiar music reveals the Elicit's superior control in the bass region, again and again.

    Too bad I was too busy enjoying my music I used the term 'musical expression' instead of 'technical prowess'. That gave Mr Excitement the Patent-Checker an opportunity to...

    I still adore the 909 but I can tell you it has been sidelined permanently by the Elicit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonR View Post
    That's the first unequivocally positive review I have ever read about the Rega Elicit, anywhere. Have Rega been toying with it "behind the scenes", I wonder...? Am curious to hear one now, I must admit.

    Pleased to see the Nait XS ran it close, though!

    No complaints about the XS, Jon, it's a great amp. The Elicit is not a Naim-clone though FYI, it is pacey too but more fluid. Its deep soundstage compared to the XS's simply won me over.

    There are already half a dozen favourable pro reviews of the Elicit about on the interwebs. I like this line from ToneAudio best: "What fools you into thinking that you are listening to much more expensive gear is the tonality that this amplifier provides." Cryptic praise, but now that I got the Elicit in my own system, I get the whole gist of it. Every area in the frequency spectrum exudes a 'wow!' quality.

    I have to qualify my earlier write-up about the Creek and Arcam having the best tops. Orchestral cymbals and jazz hi-hats have been bowling me over. Just looked at the manual - the Elicit's frequency response goes right up to 62kHz which complements the ELAC Jet III's 50kHz. Of course my human ears can't perceive up to this limit but the system's treble is now so clean, detailed and confident, the decision of both Rega and ELAC to extend their kHz reach into super territory must be helping this performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSM View Post
    Soundstaging just gets deeper by the hour. I'm continuing to listen until dawn.SS
    OMG NO, NO, NO.....................are you seriously saying that SS components have a run-in period?!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Strat View Post
    OMG NO, NO, NO.....................are you seriously saying that SS components have a run-in period?!!!!!
    Yeah.

    The first hour from new was horrendous; AWOL treble, muffled midrange and woolly bass. It brought on an attack of buyer's remorse and doubt. Gradually the treble began lighting up (like the first stars in th galaxies after the Big Bang), the fog lifted from the midrange and bass tightened up. I chip and change kit more often than you finish up a bag of bog-rolls, so I'm telling you that run-in is for real.

    Thank heavens it wasn't the XS, or else I'd have to listen to a month of bad music before it came on song.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSM View Post
    Thank heavens it wasn't the XS, or else I'd have to listen to a month of bad music before it came on song.SS
    A good friend has recently gone from a 5i to XS - not good when first out the box but was soon on song. Rega amps go very well with vinyl................how about a pink P3?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Strat View Post
    A good friend has recently gone from a 5i to XS - not good when first out the box but was soon on song. Rega amps go very well with vinyl................how about a pink P3?
    With the rega DAC around, I don't need an actual turntable. It was to be the Dana II, or Mini Dana I was supposed to bring home as well yesterday. (Had asked the dealer Thurs to put a black one aside for me.) But the rega DAC purchase is deferred for a while. I'd brought my rDAC to try on the showroom Elicit yesterday to see how much of a difference the two DACs made. Hmm...

    Will say more when I squeeze out the rDAC report; if I'm not too distracted by the music.

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    Hi SS

    Congrats on your new purchase. I've been following your hi-fi adventures with great interest as you seem to aspire to the same sound qualities as I do. Thought you might like to know that the Elac 240 range is now available in Darth Vader Black Edition (in Germany at least). Let's hope they release it world-wide.

    http://www.elac.com/de/produkte/Lini...3_BE/index.php

    These have my name written all over them. Just need to save up the dosh!
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    Ta Matt.
    Wow, those Vader Black 240s truly look metrosexual modern. Those aluminium AS-XR cones will surely glisten like black sapphires in soft night lighting. Very nice. I still dig the silver trim on my standard 244s though. Its good to see that ELAC's 240 range is well-received enough to merit a deluxe new colour. The BS243's 2010 HFW award must have helped spread word for the rest of the 240s outside of Germany.

    And yes, I believe the slender FS247 or FS248 has your name all written over them. I'm sure either will make a lovely transition from your Arros. Start budgeting now.

    I am still in love with my BS244. Actually even more so now with the arrival of the Elicit. They just get better with each amp upgrade. The Jet III tweeters take time to run in, but now after seven months, the speakers sound impeccably well-balanced and oh-so-dynamic.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Brown Bottle View Post
    Cracking write up SSM. I'll hopefully get a listen to the Elicit at the Whittlebury Show this weekend. Must be good if it beats the XS.
    I hope it leaves a good impression on you, BB.
    (If it doesn't, don't make a squeak on here as this blog has entered into a rega era)

    My take is that the choice of partnering speaker has a significant effect on how the Elicit is going to be perceived. My June demo had it first with the RS3 (that was underwhelming) which was replaced by Naim-Focal 807V Chorus. The latter improved my opinion of the Elicit as it let through its extraordinary bass control. But that Naim-Focal midrange must be plastic-sounding because last Thursday's re-demo with the ATC SCM11 showcased 80% of the Elicit's splendor. I say 20% is missing because of the SCM11's tweeter limitations and its very low sensitivity (80dB).

    Fellow Reganite Dudywoxer wanted to know how I felt about Rega-Elac vs Rega-Spendor. Well I took my S3/5R home from the office today to have a try. As expected the S3/5R highlighted the Elicit's tonal refinement and poise but in true LS3/5a stiff-upper lip tradition it squelched the Elicit's PRaTty and dramatic side. The sound was very relaxing and classy, but almost 180deg different from the take-no-prisoners dynamic synergy of Elicit-ELAC.




    ^ Fast, fluid and dramatic vs chilled sophistication; that's ELAC and Spendor respectively when harnessed to the Elicit
    (go easy on my shakiness Stratie, I'm an amateur tennis player and my body is forever humming)


    So I'll reiterate that the choice of demo speaker is pivotal to one's first impressions of the Elicit. I wasn't moved to buy it in June when the Rega & Focal speakers were used. ATC last week changed that.

    But Elicit-ATC is not a patch on Elicit-ELAC. The latter is FAST and FLUID with strong connotations of a tube-y flavour.


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    strong connotations of a tube-y flavour.
    Be done with it. Just get the home made tube amp with a garrard 301 and the huge wardrobe open baffles with wires everywhere Then a smelly old carpet with basket furniture and straw mats hanging on the walls. You know it's coming
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexi View Post
    Be done with it. Just get the home made tube amp with a garrard 301 and the huge wardrobe open baffles with wires everywhere Then a smelly old carpet with basket furniture and straw mats hanging on the walls. You know it's coming
    You've just described the interior of your listening den.

    I had considered going the tube way by import-buying an Icon Audio (no dealer here) LA4 mkII preamp for the Quad 909. But I'm glad I didn't because I still would have retained the 909's softness on deep bass notes. Tried the Elicit's pre-outs on the 909 yesterday and its fabulous taut bass didn't make it out of the 909's output. Ditto that crisp, clean Rega 62kHz treble (it got Quad-softened). So it seems however well-defined a preamp I might have bought (eg. ATC CA2), the 909's own control over the frequency extremes still determine/mar the final outcome.



    ^ converting powerful taut bass into soft ice-cream, Quad 909 gives Elicit the pipe 'n slippers


    Just got back from an evening in the city and French buttering. I browsed the Sep issue of HFC in the bookstore and was stunned to see that the Elicit is the grouptest winner in the amp supertest. What a delightful surprise! (We Tipocans get our HFC issue on the month of release, not two months before, as in Blighty.) I had read TechRadar's reviews of the Elicit and Quad Elite pre-powers a month ago, but had no idea both were in the supertest.

    Of course, mag reviews don't matter in the personal context but I had bought the Feb issue where the Creek Destiny 2 was grouptest winner and kept that copy in my drawer at the office. Whenever the shit hit the fan I would take it out and remind myself why I keep slogging: I'd reward myself with a HFC supertest winner this Xmas.

    As it turned out, the Creek Destiny 2 didn't make it to solidschateau, but I still got myself a HFC Grouptest Winner. Just not the one I had been obsessing over for the past 7 months LOL!

    Tis great to have one of my fave hifi mags like my amp.




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    thanks for taking the time/trouble to compare the elac/spendor with the elicit fella. I have had a search around my neck of the woods, and it seems a trip to the North West and the fringe of the lakes will have to be arranged to have a listen to these
    Music is a colourfull outburst of the soul, Can I use the colours I choose, Do I have some say what you use, Can I get some greens with my blues?

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    Hi, SSM,

    Is there somewhere your review of poweramp Quad 909.
    I am thinking about purchasing it and I like your reviews to read.
    Regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by dudywoxer View Post
    thanks for taking the time/trouble to compare the elac/spendor with the elicit fella. I have had a search around my neck of the woods, and it seems a trip to the North West and the fringe of the lakes will have to be arranged to have a listen to these
    Wow Dudy, you're thinking of living life in the fast lane? At matching price-points, ELAC is more efficient (and very likely, swifter) than its Spendor counterpart. I hope you'll like its presentation. It has to be noted that the JET III ribbons need to be thoroughly run-in to sound their smoothest and require acoustically absorbent side and back(behind your head) walls to perform at their optimum best IME. My JET IIIs now sound extended, lightning-quick yet sweet at all times. The crystal-faceted AS-XR cone is designed to reduce distortion in the bass - and so far my BS244 is the one speaker that truly reveals the Elicit's exceptional LF control. Everything is now so transparent and taut in this region, it frees up room for rhythmic basslines to really swing. Groovy! You may hear the same effect if you ever get an FS247 with your Exons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by massive View Post
    Hi, SSM,

    Is there somewhere your review of poweramp Quad 909.
    I am thinking about purchasing it and I like your reviews to read.
    Regards
    Nah. I've only had mine not long ago.
    There are many pro reviews of the 909 about. The two that chime best with my own experience of 909 are the The Absolute Sound's and AVReview's.

    I'd say go for one if you get the chance: the 909 is a power amp with an exceptional midrange reproduction that eludes most 1k integrateds. Partner it with speakers that have a revealing top and controlled bass ports, and you will likely be very pleased indeed.

    cheerSS
    CONRAD-JOHNSON HD3 & ET3SE > SUN SV-2A3 L.E. 25th Anniv. SE Class A | NAIM DAC V1 > C-J CLASSIC 60SE PP
    PRIMARE DAC30 > AYRE K-5xeMP > 6V6GT SE Class A | audiolab M-DAC
    > ICON AUDIO LA4 MKIII > EL84 SE Class A
    MUSICAL FIDELITY X-T100
    (modded valve pre) > GENESIS Advanced Tech. M60 (& I60) PP | PRIMARE A34.2 Class D
    OMEGA SUPER ALNICO & 3i Monitors |
    PRECISION 6.2, ELAC BS244, ATC SCM11, S3/5R, Alnico, XERO, DM 2/6, Q 2020i
    SS relics: REGA ELICIT, ARCAM A38, Musical Fidelity X-A2, NAIM NAP 100, QUAD 909, SONY TA-F246E | MiniWatt N3

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSM View Post
    Nah. I've only had mine not long ago.
    There are many pro reviews of the 909 about. The two that chime best with my own experience of 909 are the The Absolute Sound's and AVReview's.

    I'd say go for one if you get the chance: the 909 is a power amp with an exceptional midrange reproduction that eludes most 1k integrateds. Partner it with speakers that have a revealing top and controlled bass ports, and you will likely be very pleased indeed.

    cheerSS
    Cheers, but I like reading your reviews

    How would you describe bass and highs of 909?
    Please continue with your enthusiasm

    Regards

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