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    good good, as I really enjoying your reviews, unfortunately I did not have had same components as you had, I had focci and you were spot on in relation to that speaker. Well done.

    With 909 I only worry about double-bass in jazz music which I listen a lot, and I do not like too warm bass. I prefer definition in bass. My speakers are Sonus Faber Minima Amator.
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    Well I didn't get to hear the Rega Elicit but I did hear the Elac BS244. We went into the Elac room quite early on Saturday and played our test track, that went on to be the benchmark for the rest of the day. The Elacs were partnered with the latest Primare entry level Amp & CD player, which I know aren't your favourites Solid.

    The only other system that got near to the enjoyment of the Elac/Primare system was a Tannoy/Alberry system at about 4 times the price.

    We went back to the Elac Room for a good half hour at the end of the day and played another 4 or 5 tracks, the German host was most accomodating.

    All in all these are in the top 3 standmount speakers I have ever heard. Overall I prefer the Isophon Gallileos but they are 2k plus and a difficult load. Funnily enough they are also German.

    Would love to hear the Elacs in a domestic setting. Anyone in the market for 1k speakers must listen to these, great bass, cracking midrange and that wonderful ribbon tweeter. A superb package.

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    German speakers rule, BB. Ditto ribbon tweeters. I'm definitely going to check out Quadral's Aurum range next year. Their ribbons go up to 65kHz compared to ELAC's 50kHz. That may promise an even prettier top end, lalalaaa!

    Glad to hear the BS244 passed the critical scrutiny of your lugholes. Yeah, I have not been a fan of previous Primare integrateds so my interest is piqued that you liked the synergy between ELAC and Primare's new UFPD amplification. However it'll take a pretty special amp to turn me away from quality Rega. This has been a weekend of riveting music-making from the Elicit-ELAC combo. Some familiar music have been reproduced with such a 'live' feel its electrifying!!!

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    I had been looking forward to hearing the BS244 and was very happy see them being used at Whittlebury. Absolutely lovely. A very effortless presentation I thought. Never been a big massive fan of Primare (lovely build but have just left me indifferent on previous encounters) but the pairing was sublime and all at real world prices.

    And the red Quadral Aurum's looked lovely. Pity they didn't have the wired up. I was quite underwhelmed with the floorstanders they were running.
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    Oh no! The Aurum floorstanders didn't pass muster with you? I hope they weren't the Wotan VIIIs.
    Its a pity the standmounts weren't hooked up, I sure would have liked to hear wammers' opinions on their performance.

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    Welcome Mini Dana to solidschateau! The Rega DAC!!!



    ^ I had a wondrous first week with the Rega Elicit using my Arcam rDAC and MF DACs. But there's a thing to be said for same-brand synergy and even from new, the sizzling chemistry between the Elicit and the DAC tells me I am going to have an even grander second weekend of music with my Elicit!

    On this day off work, I also listened to Primare's new 32 combo. Will pen a few words later.
    Meanwhile, I am...


    SS
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    The Rega DAC has warmed up nicely and oh boy am I glad I didn't buy that Audiolab 8200CDQ I'd demoed last month. IMO the 8200CDQ is overtly detailed for details' sake and has overtly spaced-out soundstaging for soundstaging's sake. It seems to be engineered to impress and tick as many boxes for high-end performance parameters, all for a beer money price.

    In contrast, this Rega DAC simply puts its array of talents in total service of the music. It isn't the 8200CDQ's peer for the abovementioned attributes, yet it provides those crucial fine details that I listen out for, and has impressive soundstaging in its own right. More importantly, like the Arcam rDAC, it is a more 'together'-sounding digital source than the 8200CDQ. I find both more satisfying musically than the Audiolab - which does seem like a sterile laboratory (duh) equipment, for my tastes.

    I had opted not to buy the DAC when I got the Elicit last week. When I first demoed it with the Elicit and ATC SCM11, I was struck by how analogue-sounding its presentation was. It was quite different to the Audiolab 8200CDQ which sounded like a digital source, with nothing of the turntable-like sonics of the DAC. Over that weekend I wondered if my rDAC would be a better partner for the Elicit. So I'd brought it to the Rega shop and hooked it to the showroom Elicit. This combo gave a spacious airy presentation that was as competent as the analog-y DAC-Elicit. So I left the dealer's with my Elicit and without buying the DAC.

    But I'd been thinking about it over the weekend, and sussed that the ATC tweeters and sealed-box design was giving a slightly claustrophobic feel to the Rega DAC. Might the ELAC BS244 with its wide open treble and greater transparency be a good platform to showcase the DAC's chewy vinyl-esque sonics?

    I took the plunge and woo hoo! The sound has really come together!!!For the first time in my audiophool life, I feel like I have a complete system without any major grating flaw.

    The differences between the rDAC (still a great DAC) and the DAC are the latter's power in the bass, and its ability to truly flesh out performers in the midrange. The Rega DAC's bass is both powerful and chunky and will be a problem for budget amps because they aren't disciplined enough to control and shape it. But it is exactly what my Elicit is crying out for. Like a steel cookie cutter sinking into firm cookie dough, the Elicit's taut control in the bass has taken the DAC's chunky bass and articulated it in quite a spellbinding way. I spent this afternoon alternating between delight and shock at the turbo bass the system is dealing out. Double bass pluckings in jazz music are more physical and twangy than with the rDAC, Paul S. Denman's Stingray bass in Sade's music rocked and popped, Madonna's and Gaga's synth basslines were bouncing off the walls, and orchestral cellos playing en masse were stunning. So much power and presence.

    btw vocals in the midrange are so breathy and tactile. Diana Krall's, for example, was wow!

    This DAC has already secured a place for itself in Rega's, nay all digitaland's, Hall of Fame. Its synergy with the Elicit has elevated the bass grooviness of my system. I can confidently say that the basslines it is serving up through the ELACs' low-diffraction woofers supercedes the Naim CD5 XS / NAIT XS / Neat Momentum 4i I demo'd last last Friday.


    What a day, what a day...

    SS


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    Hmmm ... the 8200CDQ gets mixed reviews - mainly cos of the onboard pre-amp, which is said to be the clinical element in the package.
    I've heard a 8200CD CD player at home and was very impressed.
    Did you hear the 8200CD or just the CDQ, SS?

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    Both Jerry. The 8200CDQ was demo'd with its pre going into Exposure 3010S power amp. For all the ballyhoo over at that pfm thread about how good the CDQ's pre is, I wasn't that convinced. The CDQ's Dac sound was very nice, but it didn't knock me out in the way I was expecting.

    Before I got the Rega DAC today, I was contemplating trying the M-DAC next year. That's the 8200CDQ minus the crappy cd drawer and housed in a smaller sturdier box. The Quad 909 has ceased to be the centre of my main rig and with it goes my obsession about a cdp-cum-preamp unit. So this upcoming M-DAC could be me giving JW's design a second chance. I hear that supplies outside Blighty could be scarce in the first half of 2012. Will probably play with a Moon 100D first, as I hear its a real rival to the Rega DAC.

    But really, after tonite's musical buffet from the Rega DAC, I doubt the M-DAC is going to outdo this marvel from Essex.


    SS

    ps: why are you defending audiolab? Last I read you, weren't you all gaga over MF's M1 DAC?
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    Bloody hell solid, you'll be buying a P7 and stack of vinyl next.

    You have managed during your recent twitterings to express my views on the rega sound better than I could. One of my friends, (yes I have some) always claims that that all rega boxes have a simple rule designed in, that being bugger the system, just listen to the music. If you would like a recording of female voice that will 'show off' the elicit see if you can find anything by Christine Collister, especially 'Love' on Rega Records. She is Manx, but don't hold that against her.
    Music is a colourfull outburst of the soul, Can I use the colours I choose, Do I have some say what you use, Can I get some greens with my blues?

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    Better to be a Regaist than an audiolabrador, Dudy!
    Build quality on Elicit and DAC is so much sturdier than the 8200 chinese biscuit tins.

    To be fair, I'm not dissing JW's achievements but personal tastes have steered my preference towards the Rega sound. Diana Krall was handled quite differently by the audiolab: the CDQ projected her voice out of the speakers with startling precision but then cast it in an analytic x-ray that made me hear it as being made up of a gazillion pixels. It's a 'fluorescent'-like effect.

    Tonite the DAC made me quite smitten with Ms Krall's voice. It didn't dissect her sound into nanopixels but cast it out as a moving column of air that was naturally breathy. The Elicit-DAC's rootedness and control in the bass made it such that when she held a note in 'Quiet Nights' and slowly raised it towards her higher register, the effect was incredibly sensuous - transiting from deep chocolatey to a light flute-y top. Shivers down the spine! Rega really veers towards reproducing the dimensionality of performers. So tactile and effortlessly natural. (ps: the background strings on that Krall song were very sensuously rendered too. Lush!)

    I will definitely check out Ms Collister's music, ta.


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    SSM, any thoughts on the potential of the Elac BS184? They can be had here for a mere 425 at the moment, down from 950.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Evans View Post
    SSM, any thoughts on the potential of the Elac BS184? They can be had here for a mere 425 at the moment, down from 950.
    Sorry James, I have no experience of those. Apart from my BS244, the other ELAC I've heard is HFW awardee, the BS243.

    At that price, the BS184 could be worthy of a fling. It doesn't sport the crystal-faceted pressed aluminium cone of the 240 range though. I'll wager that this proprietary design is what gives the 240 standmounts bass that is so clear and low in distortion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSM View Post
    ps: why are you defending audiolab? Last I read you, weren't you all gaga over MF's M1 DAC?
    Well ... someone (Phil aka The Count) brought his Audiolab 8200CD over when I had that Forum Fad Young DAC for a while. More than gave the Young a run for its money in terms of clarity and focus. I was fairly smitten.
    Nope, I've not tried an MF M1 DAC.

    Sure, I've disliked other AudioLab products as being too clinical and uber-etched - but the 8200CD didn't strike me that way, on a half hours worth of listening at any rate. Methinks it has made its way onto my Want List.
    But then I like the more upfront type of sound.
    ... having said that, I don't think I've ever tried a Rega product ... well, except for a RB300/250 tonearm or two. I certainly don't recall any electronics. Mayhap I should try an rdac thingy?

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    Jerry, if you prefer a more upfront sound, could you then please try the Moon 100D or 300D? I hear say that these canuck dacs have lots of zip and pizzazz. Probably closer up your alley than the Rega DAC or rDAC. (I'll be grateful to you if you'd test the Moony waters first.)

    I appreciate your putting in a good word for the 8200s' sonic quality as I trust your discernment. However, I'd have to say your rationalizing my less than overwhelming experience of the 8200CDQ on the basis that its preamp section may be dodgy is a bit funny as it flies in the face of the reams of explanation given by the designer himself on that gigantic pfm thread: how no preamp is the best preamp, digital attenuation is the best way to hear the Sabre dac lalala... It remains that I wasn't bowled over in my demo of the the CDQ as dac-preamp.

    That said, I'll prolly have a dalliance with the cutesy M-DAC when it comes to Tipoca and see how it sounds into my Elicit and other amps.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SSM View Post
    I appreciate your putting in a good word for the 8200s' sonic quality as I trust your discernment. However, I'd have to say your rationalizing my less than overwhelming experience of the 8200CDQ on the basis that its preamp section may be dodgy is a bit funny as it flies in the face of the reams of explanation given by the designer himself on that gigantic pfm thread ....
    I'm not trying to rationalise anything, SS. I am merely regurgitating what I recall reading in a review somewhere that the pre section was a bit on the stark side. I can't recall where that review was though! As I said, I've not heard the CDQ and was impressed by the 8200CD.

    The Rega stuff doesn't sound like my cuppa char ... 'musicality' is too often an excuse for lack of rez, in my book.

    Moon stuff - well, if one comes along at the right price. I'm more likely to be tempted by a 8200CD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JANDL100 View Post
    As I said, I've not heard the CDQ
    Oh, but you have Jerry

    My CDQ was just set to 0db.

    One thing we really noticed in your setup was how much difference the filter settings made. You very much preferred the Optimum Transient, which is what most people find and is not the one that measures best...

    It might be interesting to bring the cdq up again sometime and try it straight into your Parasound - see how the digital pre does

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    Wot? Yours is a CDQ? Doh!

    Quote Originally Posted by The Count View Post
    It might be interesting to bring the cdq up again sometime and try it straight into your Parasound - see how the digital pre does
    Yes, please!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JANDL100 View Post
    The Rega stuff doesn't sound like my cuppa char ... 'musicality' is too often an excuse for lack of rez, in my book.


    Seriously, after listening to the DAC all night I can't say its resolution is lacking. I noticed subtle new details emerging from familiar music. They are just not in-yer-face... like the audiolab.

    Before the passionate pink fishy 8200 mob comes over for a lynching, let me just say that my opinion of the CDQ is subject to change. I needed two demos with different ancillaries before deciding on my new amp, so it is possible I will be more impressed with the CDQ on a second hearing in a different environment. (What's not going to change is that filmsy casework and cd drawer. Nah, a M-DAC demo will likely be my next encounter with JW's design.)

    At this moment I'm very contented on the digital front. Perving new cable porn to enhance my system is tops on my agenda now.

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