Ashley Young biggest waste of spunk ever?

[Craig]

Milner is the epitome of the classic lumbering clumsy unskilled workhorse that selectors have filled the England team with since I started watching England in tournaments (Mexico 70). The best thing people ever say about him is that he 'put in a shift'. We were watching him closely yesterday & he was hopeless. I'd agree that Young was little better but at least you feel with Young that there might be a chance of a goal from somewhere.

Except Milner at least got some (not exactly one a minute, but more than anyone else) decent balls into the box

[Duvet]

Except Milner at least got some (not exactly one a minute, but more than anyone else) decent balls into the box

Yes Craig he is a better crosser . Walcott for all his pace has always been mediocre at that part of his game . On another matter why the fuck doesn't Ashley Cole go on and cross the ball on the overlap . He did it once last night

[Leonard Smalls]

I reckon they should be paid more.
It's obviously not worth their while, all that running around for peanuts!

[Duvet]

I reckon they should be paid more.
It's obviously not worth their while, all that running around for peanuts!

[pure sound]

On another matter why the fuck doesn't Ashley Cole go on and cross the ball on the overlap . He did it once last night

He normally does for Chelsea (although less so than when he was younger). I thought I'd read somewhere that Hodgson doesn't like his full backs getting too far forward. Maybe he was under instructions not to.

Shame really, that run, cross, header back by Carroll and Rooneys misplaced overhead kick was England's most dangerous move in the last hour of the match.

[anubisgrau]

With the exception perhaps of Hart, I don't think we've any players in the squad who I'd describe as 'world class'* at the moment.

a perfect summary, nothing to add.

(plus chelski has used all the good fortune for next 10 years of english football winning the CL the way it did...)

[crimsondonkey]

I thought Young was pathetic and Rooney, don't even get me started - just where has that fat lump's first touch gone? World class my arse, how many tournaments does he need?

On the positive side Joe Hart is a real performer with loads of bottle - all he needs now is 10 in front of him who can actually do their job...

[rcook]

Ashley Young was like a rabbit in the headlights just without the running all through the tournament. He's got some ability, but the right mentality / attitude was entirely absent.

Rooney seemed patently unfit but from reading the usual suspects (that'd be the MOTD gang) anyone would think he was just coming back from 2 years in traction, not a minor niggle at the end of the season - yet he was puffing like Ivor the bloody engine already in the first half.

As for the world class hyperbole, nobody - and I mean nobody - who is supposedly world class has such a shoddy first touch regardless of form and fitness. You could put fatty Platini out there and he'd have a better first touch while eating a pastie. Rooney just wasn't at the races and less than ordinary.

What I really don't understand is the Milner hate. He was probably our most creative player in the first half yesterday, and it's hardly fair to blame him once the wheels fell off the whole show. Given that the alternative is Walcott I'd rather go with Milner TBH: Walcott was entirely anonymous against Sweden (30 minutes, one touch) and offered absolutely bugger all yesterday.

Coming on with fresh legs surely he has to be providing an outlet for the rest of the shagged out cloggers in midfield, yet he played as deep as the ocean and offered no agressive runs nor dribbles. Given that our only threat seemed to be from set pieces, a rampagaing Walcott looking for a free kick was priority #1

Rooney's problems are twofold - 1. Too many Marlboro Lights, 2. Living off his past reputation. Since Euro 2004 he has never really done it for England.

I don't understand the Milner-hate either. His managers at Leeds United, Man City, Aston Villa, Newcastle and whatever England manager he has played under (Hodgson, Capello and Stuart Pearce at Under-21 level) cannot all be wrong. The problem he has in an England shirt is he is asked/needs to help Glen Johnson defend.

[pure sound]

Rooney's problems are twofold - 1. Too many Marlboro Lights, 2. Living off his past reputation.

Neither of which seem to prevent him from playing well for Man Utd.

[rcook]

Neither of which seem to prevent him from playing well for Man Utd.

Sometimes

[It Cost How Much!?!]

Downing must be real shite, because he was behind Ashley Young (who was a pale shadow of his MUFC form this season).

lets face it, we lacked a cutting edge against any kind of decent team, which I think was due to;
1. Rooney being out of form / fitness and triple marked and should not have been played, we played better when he wasn't playing.
2. Playing the wrong formation, it should have been 4 3 3, with Welbeck as the lone striker and Milner as a centre midfield.
3. We can't pass more than three times to our own team.
4. We don't close the opposition players down in our half ffs.

[It Cost How Much!?!]

Sometimes

Van Persie	Arsenal	30
Rooney	Manchester United	27
Aguero	Manchester City	23
Adebayor	Tottenham	17
Dempsey	Fulham	17
Yakubu	Blackburn	17

[themadlatvian]

I reckon they should be paid more.
It's obviously not worth their while, all that running around for peanuts!

I didn't see any peanuts. Must get my eyes tested again.

[Mr Cat]

Van Persie	Arsenal	30
Rooney	Manchester United	27
Aguero	Manchester City	23
Adebayor	Tottenham	17
Dempsey	Fulham	17
Yakubu	Blackburn	17

what stats are these tho - yellow cards, subs..?

[Hornucopia]

Wingers used to go PAST people and centre.
Valencia, for example. Ron no 2.....
Ashley Young had a great game in the Arsen 8-2 game, but generally? Not brilliant.

Do they get their talent trained out of them by their managers? Too much computer analysis of miles run etc?
Even Spain were annoying....USE THE WINGER! gets uttered often here!

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what stats are these tho - yellow cards, subs..?

Well the top two on the list did great in the Euros.......err?

[Mark H]

Rooney has fantastic talent. But last World Cup he was embarrassing. In these Euros he was a waste of food. I say, leave him out now, he's blown it.
But Ashley Young, rubbish as he was this time, should get another chance. He can be a major player.

[Leonard Smalls]

I didn't see any peanuts. Must get my eyes tested again.

My tip is get HDTV!

[la toilette]

I didn't see any peanuts. Must get my eyes tested again.

Rooney ate them all.