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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefty View Post
    Do you think it's an outright power thing, or is there more to it than that? I ask because I am looking at replacements for the Krell and am wondering whether something like a Sugden A21a or Puresound A10 would be man enough for the task.

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    I'm not really sure - my Sony amps (MJ now has my old 670ES) both worked significantly better than the Brio, the Rega amp sounding sluggish and slightly lethargic into the 2010's. Not what one would usually expect from a Brio, put it that way.

    The 770ES builds upon the skills of the 670ES with slightly drier bass, and with a fair bit more dynamic headroom. It's also more forward sounding yet not actually brighter or harsh. In some ways it's probably a mite smoother. Wattage is about the same (ie 100 per side into 8 ohms) but clearly with more current/driving power.

    Those who heard the combination at Scalford will attest to how well it all worked together.

    I'm now considering moving my beloved Super Tablettes on - not because the Q's are better (they're not as seamless and the ProAcs are more certainly more detailed) but the 2010i's are good enough to not feel like they're strangling the system. Also, they do seem to like being worked fairly hard, waking up big style. The ProAcs really need a sweeter amp I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gromit View Post
    I'm not really sure - my Sony amps (MJ now has my old 670ES) both worked significantly better than the Brio, the Rega amp sounding sluggish and slightly lethargic into the 2010's. Not what one would usually expect from a Brio, put it that way.

    The 770ES builds upon the skills of the 670ES with slightly drier bass, and with a fair bit more dynamic headroom. It's also more forward sounding yet not actually brighter or harsh. In some ways it's probably a mite smoother. Wattage is about the same (ie 100 per side into 8 ohms) but clearly with more current/driving power.
    Thanks for the input - much appreciated. Sounds like it'll have to be a case of suck it and see. I really like the idea of running the little 2010's with a bijou low power amp, such as the Sugden A21a, but I'm not sure that'll yield the best results. Could be worth investigating the 2020i's which are more sensitive (provided they don't lose out on the strengths of the 2010i's)

    Decisions decisions!

    Lefty

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    Me again - thinking out aloud. Wonder how these would sound on the end of a some NVA amps....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefty View Post
    Do you think it's an outright power thing, or is there more to it than that? I ask because I am looking at replacements for the Krell and am wondering whether something like a Sugden A21a or Puresound A10 would be man enough for the task.

    Havent tried the Q Ac. speakers with my Sugden amps myself, but I think its worth trying. Despite the low power ratings I have been surprised as to how well my Sugden A21SE and A21 (Mk3) both drive my Proac speakers - compared to much more powerful Naim and other amps. I think the Sugdens can drive quite a few speakers

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    A pair with the matching stands is now in situ in the listening room. Too early to make much of an assessment but there's certainly a lot to like. The cabinet is really something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefty View Post
    Thanks for the input - much appreciated. Sounds like it'll have to be a case of suck it and see. I really like the idea of running the little 2010's with a bijou low power amp, such as the Sugden A21a, but I'm not sure that'll yield the best results. Could be worth investigating the 2020i's which are more sensitive (provided they don't lose out on the strengths of the 2010i's)

    Decisions decisions!

    Lefty
    Hi Lefty,

    As Richard said, I have his old 670ES and a wonderful thing it is too.

    I run 2020i's in our office and have used them with my Sony, briefly with Richards 770ES but, interestingly, also with a 15W T-Amp and a WAD integrated, all with startlingly good results, with a slight preference for SS. Unfortunately, I haven't heard the 2010i's but by the accounts I have read here, it would seem that the 2020i's are more of the same; maybe just a touch less nimble but with a bit more air and surprisingly good.

    Hope that helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MJ View Post
    Hi Lefty,

    As Richard said, I have his old 670ES and a wonderful thing it is too.

    I run 2020i's in our office and have used them with my Sony, briefly with Richards 770ES but, interestingly, also with a 15W T-Amp and a WAD integrated, all with startlingly good results, with a slight preference for SS. Unfortunately, I haven't heard the 2010i's but by the accounts I have read here, it would seem that the 2020i's are more of the same; maybe just a touch less nimble but with a bit more air and surprisingly good.

    Hope that helps.
    Very helpful - many thanks MJ. Sounds like I need to keep an eye out for one of those ES amps

    Lefty

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    I've got a spare 530ES here you can borrow to get a flavour if you like
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tons of Fun View Post
    A pair with the matching stands is now in situ in the listening room. Too early to make much of an assessment but there's certainly a lot to like. The cabinet is really something.
    Would be very interested to hear your opinions on what they'd be like with something like my Puresound A30 .

    They don't look like a £350 speaker then Ed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by age136 View Post
    Would be very interested to hear your opinions on what they'd be like with something like my Puresound A30 .

    They don't look like a £350 speaker then Ed?
    I don't really like hyperbole and 'best thing evah' style comments but the cabs are more inert than any of the £800-1,000 standmount speakers I tested for HFC not long ago and with the matching stands it is quite an enclosure.
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    Look forward to hearing your thoughts on what they sound like then .
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    One of my abiding memories of scalford is listening to Gromit's little speakers, he had pillows in the corners of the room and the ports at the back of his speakers were driving enough air out to make the pillows flap. I listened open mouthed to some percussive instrumental tracks, couldn't believe that amount of bass was coming from those small boxes.
    Was convinced that they wouldn't produce vocals very well and then Richard stuck Depeche Mode on and Dave Gahan's voice was there beautifully suspended in mid air.
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    "For the very best results the Concept 20 should be used on its unique dedicated speaker stand, which uses the same GelcoreTM construction technique."
    So at least you won't need those stands back!

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    I dunno. The stands work pretty well visually and its a real bugbear of mine,.....odd speakers and stands. Always looks shit to me as do most stand designs to begin with. There's a couple of stand designs I love. Epos ES14s with their dedicated stands always looked ace imo as do those really meaty ones they have with Proac D2's.

    Someone should just have done with it and buy some of these 20's and see what they make of them...
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    Review just in from WHF (they liked them)

    http://www.whathifi.com/review/q-acoustics-concept-20

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    Has anyone heard or bought the Q Acoustics Concept 20 speakers on here yet, if so could you advise whether they are tonally bright or neutral, as I have changed my amp to a NAD which seems to have livened up the sound I'm getting, but don't want to over do it with bright speakers.
    Thanks!

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    I too am waiting to hear the Concept 20.
    Currently running the 2020i with a Roksan Kandy K2 Integrated and Power, and boy do they sound good.
    I had them wall mounted with the official bracket and then picked up some stands on eBay and I cannot believe the difference.
    They really do appreciate good electronics, stands and cables.
    If I am going to be slightly critical, they can be ever so slightly polite with Vinyl.
    I have been demoing speakers in the £1k bracket, and yes they are better but are they £800 better?
    I will upgrade but it will have to be something very special.

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    I’ve just been pleading/begging/bullying/cajoling/reasoning with my wife to have a music system in our living room. I think she’s starting to crumble as ‘no’ has now given way to ‘maybe’. As aesthetic considerations will be crucial to my success; the Concept 20’s look like contenders.

    So I’m also interested to hear thoughts from anyone who has these and what amplification they’re using.

    Also; does anyone know if Q Acoustics are planning ‘Concept’ (i.e. Gelcore cabinet) versions of their floor-standers?

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    Another question for anyone that can be bothered to answer.

    As this is a rear ported design; what is the minimum distance away from the wall they should be placed?

    What distance do 2020i owners place their speakers from wall?

    Cheers.

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