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    Careful I'm not condoning it just providing some wider context.
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    many years ago I worked in a brickworks where conditions were much worse and the job much harder....you needed to turn over by hand 32 ton of brick in varying conditions, all bad or worse, a day. if you went to the toilet you got 3 minutes including the walk which was mostly impossible.
    at the end of the day it was a job for most, and a career for a few. Obviously not everyone was able to do it; in fact at the beginning nobody was, so the other guys all helped a bit for a while. The bosses, who were just working men too, did not care if you were ill or struggling...fail to make quota and basically you did not get very much money.

    Amazon could easily make things better for employees but where is their incentive....and that is the problem, as they can get away with it. The workers in Qatar are being exploited much worse for the world cup and FIFA dont give a toss because they, like Govts have got their cut.

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    Great let's all support the race to the bottom and the politics of envy

    If someone has more than us we shouldn't aspire to get to the same level we should drag him down to ours to 'make it fair'

    Meanwhile the shareholders and owners are laughing their bollocks off at how easily the populace has swallowed the big lie.
    Comparing the workers conditions in the UK to those in the third world is ludicrous, aren't we lucky we have a job, how wonderful of Amazon to pay the minimum possible, we should be so so grateful!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tel View Post
    The minimum wage should be a minimum, it should not be the maximum that employees are prepared to pay.
    This is what Amazon has to say on pay for new employees:

    Fulfilment centre pay
    In the UK, new associates start at a median wage of £7.05 (11% above the national minimum wage) increasing progressively to a median of £8.02 after 24 months. In addition, all permanent associates receive stock grants which over the past five years have added an average of 12% to base pay annually. This means that, on average, an Amazon associate with two years’ service will be earning £8.98 per hour for a day shift or £10.78 per hour for a night shift.


    Presumably a median wage means some new employees will start on minimum wage whereas others will start on more than this. A minimum wage is also going to be closer to a living wage in areas where the cost of living is relatively lower, like south wales where Amazon have their main warehouse compared to south London. Otherwise there is a good argument for a living wage if wages need to be topped up with benefits in order to survive.



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    seen and worked for a lot less.....

    ...and I for one was not comparing this to the 3rd world, just pointing out that worldwide, exploitation happens in every walk of life and govts etc dont care.

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    What's the fuss?

    So some people work hard for not much huh? What's new? The alternative is the dole, which is very difficult to get these days. Probably harder to get benefits than it is to get a job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by struth View Post
    Amazon could easily make things better for employees but where is their incentive....and that is the problem, as they can get away with it.
    They could also pay some Corporation Tax but they get away with that as well.
    "We could have saved the Earth but we were too damned cheap" Kurt Vonnegut

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    Yeh, Im not condoning what Amazon does either, but it is standard practice for retail at the lowest level. Ive worked in retail 25 years. If I were to boycott Amazon due to that story published in the Guardian, then I would have to boycott the large portion of the high street stores too.

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    Either this is a piece of viral marketing or Amazon are seriously thinking about using drones. It would be in keeping with the Amazon work ethic.


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25185369



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    If they aren't paying corporation tax and aren't providing jobs, what benefit are they to the UK beyond convenience?

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    I started to read the first article. I was doing well until I read mention of a "cat scratching post designed to look like a DJ's record deck" whereupon I found myself heading straight to Amazon to look for it before I could stop myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mosfet View Post
    Either this is a piece of viral marketing or Amazon are seriously thinking about using drones. It would be in keeping with the Amazon work ethic.


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25185369
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    Quote Originally Posted by barneys dad View Post
    Some of us are already boycotting Amazon & have been for some time.
    I had the pleasure of visiting another wammer last week who, of his own volition, was buying his music elsewhere.

    Its just plain laziness to:
    1. Ignore what Amazon are doing in the UK.
    2. Go to Amazon by default because you think it will be the cheapest.

    My first port of call is to buy my records direct from a band's record label/website.
    Its more personal, the band will see more of your money & you may just get a more desirable product.
    If its a band you follow, by registering, they'll let you know about tours/new releases/specials etc.
    Do Amazon do that?
    Do they f#ck.
    I took to using Amazon as little as possible a while back. The prompt in my case was their tax avoidance but I disapprove of poor working practices too. I use Hive http://www.hive.co.uk/ most of the time. I find they're often cheaper than Amazon and they work to support local bookshops, which I also approve of. Their search facilities aren't quite so good in my experience. So I use Amazon's, and then when I've found what I want I enter the product details (name, artist, reference numbers etc) into Hive to improve my chances of locating it there (so Amazon 'pay' twice ).

    I'm sure there is some truth in the argument that 'they're all the same'. But if I take my business away from businesses who are publicly identified as badly behaved then that will apply some commercial pressure to them to behave better, irrespective of what the others do.

    I confess I'm pragmatic about this though. If I can only find the thing on Amazon then I will buy it from there. I'm out to hurt them, but not at the expense of hurting myself much I'm afraid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karlinamillion View Post
    If this happens in Blighty, I'm buying me an air rifle & a large fishing net.
    You can probably get those from Amazon.

    VB

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    http://www.businessweek.com/articles...ales-no-profit


    In the meantime, investors are happy to sit and watch the company grow faster than the rest of e-commerce—industry revenue was up 13 percent in the third quarter, year-on-year, according to RBC Capital Markets. That means Amazon is taking market share away from both online and offline rivals.
    While it steals customers, Amazon is expanding aggressively into additional markets.
    In the earnings press release, Bezos called attention to the three new Kindle Fire tablets, 8 million square feet of new fulfillment center capacity, and 1,382 newly deployed Kiva robots, which roam Amazon’s warehouses delivering palettes of products to human workers.

    Bezos also referred to Amazon’s victory over IBM (IBM) in their legal battle to service the cloud computing needs of the Central Intelligence Agency. “It’s been a busy few months,” he wrote.


    So absolutely nothing to worry about.....just so long as its easy & cheap to get yer retail fix.
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    I don't blame Amazon. Capitalism is set up to make people work as hard as possible and pay them as little as possible, as the only people who should benefit are the shareholders. Therefore, it lies with the Government to implement controls on capitalism, such as the minimum wage, working time limits and health and safety controls. I think that all of these should be strengthened, to remove the government subsidy (via benefit top-ups) of these low-paid jobs.

    I get much more pissed off with Cameron waffling on about a 'living wage', implying that the minimum wage is insufficient, while doing sweet FA about it - when he is the single best-placed person in the whole fucking country to actually sort it out! Wottacock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mosfet View Post
    This is how Skynet starts.
    I do wonder if there is yet any regulation in place regarding the private/commercial use of drones. After all anyone can go out & fly an RC plane or helicopter already. Hill farmers use them to watch livestock & see where it has got to in remote areas. But I'm surprised that the police aren't using surveillance drones yet. Is this a future we are going to stumble into without legislation? Will it become the norm to see them buzzing about overhead delivering stuff & keeping an eye on those below?

    EDIT: According to that BBC clip there is regulation but I could see laws being changed particularly if linked to some anti-terror imperative.
    Last edited by pure sound; 02-12-2013 at 12:48 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mosfet View Post
    This is how Skynet starts.
    Business model from the Terminator movie.
    Ethics from The Matrix.
    Its all falling into place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure sound View Post
    I do wonder if there is yet any regulation in place regarding the private/commercial use of drones. After all anyone can go out & fly an RC plane or helicopter already. Hill farmers use them to watch livestock & see where it has got to in remote areas. But I'm surprised that the police aren't using surveillance drones yet. Is this a future we are going to stumble into without legislation? Will it become the norm to see them buzzing about overhead delivering stuff & keeping an eye on those below?
    If there isn’t any statutory regulation covering the use of drones I expect there soon will be. Whether regulation covers what information they can be used to gather is a good question. I also saw a parked van recently which was part of someone’s business offering the hire of unmanned drones for aerial photography. So there are business opportunities to be had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barneys dad View Post
    Business model from the Terminator movie.
    Ethics from The Matrix.
    Its all falling into place.



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    Can we get a drone, then zap Amazingn? Hypothetically of course!



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