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    seen and worked for a lot less.....

    ...and I for one was not comparing this to the 3rd world, just pointing out that worldwide, exploitation happens in every walk of life and govts etc dont care.

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    What's the fuss?

    So some people work hard for not much huh? What's new? The alternative is the dole, which is very difficult to get these days. Probably harder to get benefits than it is to get a job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by struth View Post
    Amazon could easily make things better for employees but where is their incentive....and that is the problem, as they can get away with it.
    They could also pay some Corporation Tax but they get away with that as well.
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    Yeh, Im not condoning what Amazon does either, but it is standard practice for retail at the lowest level. Ive worked in retail 25 years. If I were to boycott Amazon due to that story published in the Guardian, then I would have to boycott the large portion of the high street stores too.

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    Either this is a piece of viral marketing or Amazon are seriously thinking about using drones. It would be in keeping with the Amazon work ethic.


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25185369



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    If they aren't paying corporation tax and aren't providing jobs, what benefit are they to the UK beyond convenience?
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    I started to read the first article. I was doing well until I read mention of a "cat scratching post designed to look like a DJ's record deck" whereupon I found myself heading straight to Amazon to look for it before I could stop myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mosfet View Post
    Either this is a piece of viral marketing or Amazon are seriously thinking about using drones. It would be in keeping with the Amazon work ethic.


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25185369
    If this happens in Blighty, I'm buying me an air rifle & a large fishing net.
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    Quote Originally Posted by barneys dad View Post
    Some of us are already boycotting Amazon & have been for some time.
    I had the pleasure of visiting another wammer last week who, of his own volition, was buying his music elsewhere.

    Its just plain laziness to:
    1. Ignore what Amazon are doing in the UK.
    2. Go to Amazon by default because you think it will be the cheapest.

    My first port of call is to buy my records direct from a band's record label/website.
    Its more personal, the band will see more of your money & you may just get a more desirable product.
    If its a band you follow, by registering, they'll let you know about tours/new releases/specials etc.
    Do Amazon do that?
    Do they f#ck.
    I took to using Amazon as little as possible a while back. The prompt in my case was their tax avoidance but I disapprove of poor working practices too. I use Hive http://www.hive.co.uk/ most of the time. I find they're often cheaper than Amazon and they work to support local bookshops, which I also approve of. Their search facilities aren't quite so good in my experience. So I use Amazon's, and then when I've found what I want I enter the product details (name, artist, reference numbers etc) into Hive to improve my chances of locating it there (so Amazon 'pay' twice ).

    I'm sure there is some truth in the argument that 'they're all the same'. But if I take my business away from businesses who are publicly identified as badly behaved then that will apply some commercial pressure to them to behave better, irrespective of what the others do.

    I confess I'm pragmatic about this though. If I can only find the thing on Amazon then I will buy it from there. I'm out to hurt them, but not at the expense of hurting myself much I'm afraid.

    VB

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    Quote Originally Posted by karlinamillion View Post
    If this happens in Blighty, I'm buying me an air rifle & a large fishing net.
    You can probably get those from Amazon.

    VB

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    http://www.businessweek.com/articles...ales-no-profit


    In the meantime, investors are happy to sit and watch the company grow faster than the rest of e-commerce—industry revenue was up 13 percent in the third quarter, year-on-year, according to RBC Capital Markets. That means Amazon is taking market share away from both online and offline rivals.
    While it steals customers, Amazon is expanding aggressively into additional markets.
    In the earnings press release, Bezos called attention to the three new Kindle Fire tablets, 8 million square feet of new fulfillment center capacity, and 1,382 newly deployed Kiva robots, which roam Amazon’s warehouses delivering palettes of products to human workers.

    Bezos also referred to Amazon’s victory over IBM (IBM) in their legal battle to service the cloud computing needs of the Central Intelligence Agency. “It’s been a busy few months,” he wrote.


    So absolutely nothing to worry about.....just so long as its easy & cheap to get yer retail fix.
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    This is how Skynet starts.



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    I don't blame Amazon. Capitalism is set up to make people work as hard as possible and pay them as little as possible, as the only people who should benefit are the shareholders. Therefore, it lies with the Government to implement controls on capitalism, such as the minimum wage, working time limits and health and safety controls. I think that all of these should be strengthened, to remove the government subsidy (via benefit top-ups) of these low-paid jobs.

    I get much more pissed off with Cameron waffling on about a 'living wage', implying that the minimum wage is insufficient, while doing sweet FA about it - when he is the single best-placed person in the whole fucking country to actually sort it out! Wottacock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mosfet View Post
    This is how Skynet starts.
    I do wonder if there is yet any regulation in place regarding the private/commercial use of drones. After all anyone can go out & fly an RC plane or helicopter already. Hill farmers use them to watch livestock & see where it has got to in remote areas. But I'm surprised that the police aren't using surveillance drones yet. Is this a future we are going to stumble into without legislation? Will it become the norm to see them buzzing about overhead delivering stuff & keeping an eye on those below?

    EDIT: According to that BBC clip there is regulation but I could see laws being changed particularly if linked to some anti-terror imperative.
    Last edited by pure sound; 02-12-2013 at 12:48 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mosfet View Post
    This is how Skynet starts.
    Business model from the Terminator movie.
    Ethics from The Matrix.
    Its all falling into place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure sound View Post
    I do wonder if there is yet any regulation in place regarding the private/commercial use of drones. After all anyone can go out & fly an RC plane or helicopter already. Hill farmers use them to watch livestock & see where it has got to in remote areas. But I'm surprised that the police aren't using surveillance drones yet. Is this a future we are going to stumble into without legislation? Will it become the norm to see them buzzing about overhead delivering stuff & keeping an eye on those below?
    If there isn’t any statutory regulation covering the use of drones I expect there soon will be. Whether regulation covers what information they can be used to gather is a good question. I also saw a parked van recently which was part of someone’s business offering the hire of unmanned drones for aerial photography. So there are business opportunities to be had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barneys dad View Post
    Business model from the Terminator movie.
    Ethics from The Matrix.
    Its all falling into place.



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    Can we get a drone, then zap Amazingn? Hypothetically of course!



    Deliberate error.



    But, really, the whole system is broken. Capitalism had to collapse eventually; we just don't want to admit it.
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    Any attempt to rearrange will be ignored. We own you now.
    Last edited by mosfet; 02-12-2013 at 01:39 PM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by mosfet View Post



    Any attempt to rearrange will be ignored. We own you now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mosfet View Post



    Any attempt to rearrange will be ignored. We own you now.
    Excellent; love it !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornucopia View Post

    But, really, the whole system is broken. Capitalism had to collapse eventually; we just can't admit it.
    2016 - the year of don't get good at music, you'll die

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