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  1. 6 months rebuild sounds manageable but all depending on how reliable that estimate is and supply and demand: - How many DACs did Linn keep in stock before the fire. With just-in-time production it might have been rather limited. And are all DS products now using AKM DACs with newly launched Majik, all multi channel Exakt etc etc?? - How many did AKM and distributors have in stock and where is Linn on the priority list for those units? (At the same time, this event may somewhat speed up any planed exchange of this DAC among other companies that may have an option?) And as some already indicated above; will this speed up the next generation Linn DAC architecture? (Nevertheless it must be a financial blow as DS/Exakt upgrade incomes will cease (and the price of the remaining DACs could well get higher). As for next generation DAC architecture; Linn has had since sept-16 (Klimax Katalyst release?) to list potential improvement ideas for next generation architecture - likely longer time than that as late ideas would not have made it into the Katalyst design. (And in March-18 it was released to Akurate so upgrades are likely declining although they are well neeeded money and they likely want ”all onboard” before the next DAC architecture version with its new round of upgrades..) And although the DAC itself is often not considered top in the architecture hierarchy, how old DAC is ”accepted” in a flagship model in an increasingly spec centered marketplace? (”Just listen” now has many new tech spec detail friends.) Also a massive work when eventually changing the architecture given the strategy with integrated products. Large upgrade sales when released but boy the amount of work to upgrade all boards. How can a small company adopt to such unforeseen events if it really should be needed? BTW why the decision to stop upgrades now and not earlier? Just precaution or some negative news/update not yet widely communicated? And how is the factory rebuild affected by the 2nd Corona wave, if at all?
  2. That’s fine. Differing opinions make life more interesting. Just wanted to pass on my experiences that I know many others share and I think is worth keeping in mind. Kans ARE excelllent speakers that many interestingly either love or hate. I think that split opinion is largely explained by what’s in front of them (apart from not being the ideal speaker for bass heads ) I for sure could never really get used to them listening to CDs on the Classik and even an LK140 was not a massive improvement. Source first. Classik+ Kan is still good with some music, and for sure, still sound nice but they did not really come alive. Then with vinyl and, also Ikemi and KRDS0 things started to happen and later with Kairn/Klout kombo was really good. (As is LP12, Nait1, Kan). But in short, my recommendation is that Kans need a really good source (ideally LP12) good amps and should be placed ”flush” to the back wall on Kan II stands.
  3. The Classik-K is selling at really attractive prices these days and is really good with the right speakers. I would not recommend it with Kan I or IIs as they need a really good source and amps to really sing. Even with an LK140 KanIs are not really fun. They need (strangely) either the classic Nait1 and vinyl or a seriously good digital source, good pre and the likes of a Klout do to them justice. Starting with Classik and Kans I/II is most certainly the start of an upgrade journey. I have not heard the Majik K but assume there is a similar risk with the original Kans.
  4. As Linn has a lot of in-house manufacturing, one would think it would be easier to offer longer service life? Having them serviced at (highly experienced) local electronics service shops is practically Impossible now with the surface mounted components packed on boards. That, in combination with today’s product prices put a responsibility on longer service life - not shorter than in the past which I feel is the trend. I also believe that the understanding among customers of limited service would increase if motivated by which parts are no longer sourceable and then service including that particular part would be excluded. Simply stating, product x is no longer serviced. period, is not what I would expect given the prices. Of course offering service reduces sales and tie up some money in stocking some critical components, although they will be sold for many times the purchase price later on - eg cd lasers were rediculously cheap). But too limited service also reduces brand loyalty. Isn’t Naim still servicing a lot of older products?
  5. Some speculation about the timing of the Karousel release (given it is such a substantial improvement as it sounds); perhaps Linn chose to wait with its release until some time after the majority of their Klimax customers had upgraded to Katalyst. Making LP 12 vastly superior to (pre-Katalyst) Klimax level streaming (by releasing Karousel before Katalyst) would not be ideal compared to keeping the race tight. (On the other hand, the luxury of freedom in product management by deliberately delaying a release may well not be an option for Linn financially so maybe its timing was more a matter of priority in development/production spendings which again may include an element of keeping klimax level streaming and the LP12 at a similar ”level”. ) But if this speculation would hold some truth, it could indicate that the rest of the (generally rumoured) LP12 releases may not see light until some time after the next major update of the Klimax DS has been released? Whatever and whenever that might be :)
  6. Feels Linn is very afraid that some rich person in search of “the best” life style hifi sound system would stop and think; “Hey, are there better systems? Then I will not go ahead and buy the series 3.” should they see the ordinary Linn range.
  7. ... and most companies use the products higher up the hierarchy to build brand image also among customers that are not in a position to afford/prioritize the most expensive ones.. they do not hide them..
  8. Sure Mike; main system LP12, Lingo 1, Kairn, tunebox, Klouts, Keltik with KRDS0 for streaming. Thoren 160, Nait1, Kans in one room waiting for build of a ”Hakai” streamer. (Then lots of LK era stuff waiting/ some days replacing together with Kans, Sara, Nait1, Kikkin.) But also more modern; a SneakyDS+Unik in the Kitchen. Naim Atom+109s in an extra room. Even DSM+ Linn integrated instead of a TV soundbar.. but that would never replace the Keltiks as main system). Plus Oppo105/JBL in a small home cinema).
  9. Sorry to be negative, but I am more into the Linn/ BMW comparison. Once companies with an edge or at least strong belief in what they want to achieve, based on a clear ”no”-compromize strategy based on some key elements which, all combined, put a Big smile on your face. But with time, competitors closed many of the gaps while (more importantly) Linn/BMW compromised on many of their old ideas (6 cylinders, gained a LOT of weight etc) and got more and more similar to competing brands. Lower fuel consumption: sure. More accepted in modern apartments: yes. More boxes checked in competitor comparisons/reviews: guess so. But gone is much of the Big smile on the face.
  10. With all respect for comments based on personal experience, pay attention to whether they (not just in this thread) are a result of not being source-first systems. For example when the conclusion seem to be that old speaker X did not work well with a Majik dsm or similar, I simply look on that as the main problem being in the source/pre. For most part of the old/LK era, vinyl was the dominant source and it is a VERY good one. Even an Axis is an excellent source. And any LP12 is a brilliant one. When the conclusion is that the old systems did not go well with CDs, it is probably the CD player that was too poor a source. Old Linn speakers were 2- or sometimes 3-way mainly because the 2-way filters were considered a better compromize than 3 way. That led to possibilities to upgrade to an excellent pre and for some, even Klout amp(s) with modest speakers. In contrast, Linn today sell 4 and 5-way speakers and think that aktiv - now by Exakt - is solving everything but pricing and no. of amps/channels needed make people drive them with Majik or for that matter integrated amps.. Just a coincidence that source first is now not spoken about more than (possibly) in DSM ads? Why did a (balanced) Majik ”range” appear...? How many modern Linn systems are 2-way driven by Solos and LP12 (+KK)? Just a coincidence..? An example, put a pair of Kan’s behind an LK Classik and you have a very non-engaging system. But at the end of an LP12, Kairn/Klout kombo they are very very good and mainly type of music preference might make you long for other speakers. Kans behind a Sneaky would not be my first choice either. So, when rating the old Linn sound, take into consideration if the experience was from a source-first system or from a system in need of source/pre upgrade. Modern systems seem more designed to be ”OK:ish” also with Majik (or integrated amps -sorry modern era..). Linn today seem to have a radically new focus which leads to completely differently designed products, in my opinion much more similar to those of other brands than in the ”old” days.
  11. Surely a listen is the only thing that can answer that question. And cruical is that you listen to (near) perfectly set-up systems. It is easy to bias an evaluation by not giving both equal conditons. To generalize; those who favour the new sound will argue that the merits of the old is that their distorsion is what made people think it was special and gave that ”live” real performance feeling. While the fans of original Linn would argue that new Linn is a more analytical sound where its merits are described by good separation and other traditional hifi terms common in magazine reviews that the old Linnies gave 0 about. And don’t forget that old Linn products can be serviced. Not by Linn of course as they rather have trade-in offers to try to get customers over to ”the other side” but by general electronic workshops. For the newer products it is more like a TV, ie have Linn exchange a whole card (as long as they are provided by Linn and not end of life that is...) Whereas the older products often benefit from recaps - both for extended life and to recover its full potential.
  12. A question to you that use SO: Do you ever reflect on the fact that versions and setup of SO seem to make such a profound difference? My conclusion would be; why spend many 10s of thousands on hifi electronics and then apply a software that (seemingly) has such a major impact on the sound simply based on which version or which variants of settings/choices are entered? (Not sure hard core SO users/devotes even get what I mean though.)
  13. I have never heard Akudoriks. But for the sake of fair comparisons; were they made with proper stands for the K320? The supplied stands are infamous for being very wobbly (to say the least). The original stands are also too tall, likely as a result of them being intended as surrounds with 350s which are tall speakers by design. And as rock solid stands are critical for the performance of any speaker it affects the comparison as better stands are easily found.