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  1. Thanks for posting your thoughts @Lunchbox171 I had the S40s on demo a couple of years back. Like you, they impressed me on bass for their size, along with a toe tapping quality and smooth treble. But I also found them a bit too explicit and forward in the highs / presence region. Plus bass boomed a bit unless well away from any walls. Really involving in a slightly forward, punchy, rhythmic sort of way. Great for rock, hip hop or EDM. But lacked a bit of naturalness and emotional engagement on slower, more intimate music.
  2. Good to hear your demo thoughts. I live in Bristol too, and demoed / bought my small Spendor classics from Audio T. Great service there. Only noticed a few days ago that they started stocking Harbeth. Those C7's sound great from what you've said. Never heard Harbeths, but I'll try and pop in for a demo (the 30.2 would be the limit for my room though, and perhaps still too big considering it's a bedroom!) Would be intrigued to hear your thoughts on the Spendor Classic 2/3 or 3/1 if you demo those, as Audio T do stock them.
  3. They do look interesting. The originals got generally rave reviews, but occasionally came under criticism for an overly rolled off treble, not excelling at low listening levels, and the bass - while deep and fulsome - lacking the last degree of tightness. I'm guessing Buchardt are looking to address all these purported niggles in the new version, which should win them some new fans, and potentially put off fans of the original. They certainly seem like a modern, forward thinking company.
  4. Good write up, thanks. I am sure that will be of help to a lot of people. And well done for trying so many speakers, both at home and at the dealer. You’re right about a speaker having to match your circumstances. What you say about the ATC’s doesn’t surprise me, as there’s something ‘right’ about how they do rhythms and bass. Once you get used to a sealed box, it can then all sound a bit boomy and disjointed when going back to ported speakers (unless well placed, well away from all walls etc). Like you, I thought the bass was ideal in quantity on the ATC’s in my room (plus perfectly integrated and tuneful), whereas a lot of people will find them bass-light. I’ve not heard the P3ESRs, but obviously own the similar specced Spendor 4/5’s, and I thought the ATC’s offered a similar bass, but maybe that extra 10% in depth and weight, which was perfect. Conversely, the Kef LS50 (or Dynaudio Special 40) for example, had just that bit too much for my tastes and lacked the last word in seamlessness and tautness. Again, it’s all relative though, as many people even find those speakers bass-light and pair them with subs. So room and taste dependent. They’re massive, but you may even want to try the ATC SCM19’s then, as by some accounts they have a little more bass again, while retaining the sealed box tunefulness, and are also reportedly a bit more laid back than the SCM11’s. I had assumed the Proac DB1 would reach deeper and hit harder than the ATC’s though? That surprised me it was the other way round, looking at the specs. Sorry to hear that the D2 sounded a bit boomy, I’d had my eye on those! If it sounded that way at the dealer in free space, then yeah, doesn’t sound like it will work at home near to walls. Shame you didn’t get to try the Graham LS6, but from what I’ve read – whatever that’s worth – they are also quite bloated in the bass, unless given loads of space. Very large rear reflex port. Likewise, with the Harbeth 30.2’s – that’s a pity given how much you like the Harbeth sound. I'd still recommend giving the Spendor 3/1's a listen. But they do have a bass that's notably heavier than the ATC's for example.
  5. AV Forums just published a review of the Wireless 2 version (he previously reviewed the passive). https://www.avforums.com/reviews/kef-ls50-wireless-ii-streaming-system-review.18860
  6. Steve Guttenberg recently compared the LS6 to the Harbeth C7XD, if that's any help.
  7. Yeah it's so difficult. I'd take my view of the Classic 3/1's with a pinch of salt though, as it was only in my particular room that I found the bass a bit overwhelming at times. Bear in mind I found the same to be true of Kef R3, Spendor A4 and Dynaudio Special 40s at times. It may be a 4x4.5m room I'm in (i.e. not that small), but part of that is a bay window, chimney alcoves with built in wardrobes, and suspended wooden floors. None of that ideal for acoustics. It could be a different story in your room. I know @Art K has his Classic 3/1s in a much smaller room and has no issues with bass. Preference also plays a part too, as one person's overwhelming is another person's just right. Know what you mean about subs. Tried a REL t5i with my small Spendors and could never make it disappear, although I put that more down to me not persevering. Agreed on the clutter / faff / floorspace thing. Bigger speakers are the cleaner, more streamlined, albeit less flexible solution.
  8. Thanks Yeah, demo always required as preferences vary so much. Proac have always intrigued me, that's all. Idle curiosity only at present. Based in Bristol. It's weird the DB1 gets so little press.
  9. @radiant red what sort of room size do you feel the Proac DB1 and D2 excel in, from your experience? I've always fancied a demo, although no proac dealers nearby.
  10. Will be interesting to see where your discoveries lead. Good write up on the listening you've done so far. From what you've said, it sounds like the Proac D2R may be worth a listen, Spendor 3/1 if there are any nearby, and maybe a home demo of the Harbeth 30.2 if it showed enough promise at the store. Dynaudio special 40 too.
  11. It's a funny one. Detail levels are generally an attribute to strive for. But I do think how detail is presented can vary. And with that, preferences for what sounds pleasing. My experience of the ATC SCM11 was that they were highly detailed, throughout the frequency spectrum, which was great on the whole. I wouldn't say they resolved more detail than my Spendors, for example, but they definitely presented it differently. There was always a feeling of surgical precision in the presence region, combined with a degree of forwardness. Impressive most of the time, sure, but not always (as) enjoyable (to my ears) as my Spendors which are just as detailed, but hang back a little, smooth edges slightly and, unquantifiably, sound more "natural". It's so subjective though. To many ears, the ATCs will sound just right.
  12. @DomT what's the latest on your demo journey?
  13. Yep, further sausage finger typing.
  14. Not sure whats going on with my incompetence quoting, but; Owned it since November last year. Yep, there's a year warranty. I can't answer your questions 3 and 4, sorry. I'd like to think (probably naively), it'll probably all be fine in this day and age what with companies wanting to iron out any issues within a reasonable timescale. And with the product having been out for a couple of years, one would hope they wouldn't be any glaring issues. Compared to say the Kef LSX I owned a while back, it's far less clunky. I'm not particularly tech-savvy though, so take what I say with a pinch of salt. Let me know if you want me to test anything specific, if that helps.
  15. Sorry to hear of your AVR600 giving up the ghost! I really rate the SA30, certainly from a sound quality perspective. Lots of power, great detailing, wide soundstage and smooth without being too warm. As for software, I must admit that I only really use it for Tidal so far, streaming via Chromecast (from phone), rather than the arcam app. To date, I've had no real issues, bar the WiFi connection dropping off occasionally. But no issues with distortion or anything else. How much that lack of issues is down to luck, or down to firmware updates fixing previous issues, it's difficult for me to say. I had a bluesoundNode 2i briefly during a previous setup, and it was certainly slick from an app perspective; certainly more so than the Arcam. But taken as an overall product (predominantly used as a great sounding integrated), the Arcam has been great. Are you able to demo one - including the latest firmware updates - at home, to see if it's slick enough?
  16. No worries agreed, Spendor could be a bit more informative in their literature I think. As for placement / needing room to breath, Hifi Choice's view is that the 3/1's are easy to place, despite the port: https://www.spendoraudio.com/spendor-classic-3-1-hifi-choice/ So may be ok.
  17. Spendor's 3/1 is rear ported, so it's only the 4/5 that is sealed from the classic line (until you get to the 100). The 2/3 is front ported, although it's a big speaker! 3/1 could work for you, but I found they needed a fair bit of space around them. Could be worth a try though, alongside the Harbeth 30.1 / 30.2.
  18. I demoed the Special 40s against the Q Acoustics concept 300 and Kef R3 a couple of years back. The Concept 300's never quite did it for me. Superb imaging and a fairly smooth, very detailed midrange. But bass was a little lumpy and they just lacked the S40s get up and go. The S40s were the more fun listen, with a slightly smoother top end and overall engagement factor was higher. Toe tapping and great at delineating midrange strands. Helps that the cabinets looked a lot nicer too. I was very close to buying the S40s at the time, and to this day still look back fondly on them, wondering what if. But they (and the Concept 300s) shared a fairly explicit presence region to my ears, which is why I never took the plunge at the time. However, that was demoing with the dealer's Naim, Rega and Primare amps. Perhaps it would be a different story with my current Arcam.
  19. Having had the SCM11's on demo at home, I loved them. Coherence, detail, bass speed, soundstaging, tone...but I too found them a smidge too forward and surgical in the presence region. Not always, but certainly on more poppy, poorly recorded tracks. Overall, they were fantastic in my opinion, but not always an easy listen. If the P3ESR sounds right to your ears (and you're craving a bit more scale for the main system), then it does seem the 30.1 or 30.2 could potentially be ideal. Would like to demo the latter, but oh the price....
  20. I can thoroughly recommend Spendor's classic 4/5. Smoothness, tons of detail, naturalness on voices and instruments are some of their key attributes. Plus working close to walls. Or maybe some Harbeth P3ESR, although the price has really crept up.
  21. After a lot more running in and time listening, experimentation with placement etc, I have concluded the Metas are not for me. They have changed subtly during break in – the bass is a little more impactful, the speakers have opened a tad, but the general character is still the same. I stand by my earlier comments that they are great value for money, and I really admire what they do. For a lot of ears, they will be just the ticket I’d have thought. But where the Spendors have clinched it is (and I appreciate some of this repeats previous remarks): More natural in tone, particularly in the midrange; Voices tug more on an emotional level; Crucially, I simply find them more engaging across almost all types of music. I think that comes down to a quicker, more rhythmic, flowing and dynamic delivery. Not in terms of larger dynamics, as obviously the Metas go lower and louder, but all those other communications within the music, mid-bass and up. They are less impactful, but somehow they engage more, particularly when kick drums or walking bass lines are involved. They’re more toe-tapping and punchy, (although again), the caveat being that bass is less weighty. Overall cohesion from top to bottom is notably more all of apiece. Again, this helps with engagement levels. Treble is a lot nicer on the whole, being silky, natural and highly informative, with no edge to annoy on sibilants (occasionally the Metas suffer from this). The caveat to this, as previously mentioned, is that some instruments like electric guitars sound better on the Metas, as the extra bite suits that. On the whole though, they are less easy to listen to, more often. Soundstaging / imaging is better on the Kefs in the sense of images almost being cut out by a laser and being projected further forward. They’re slightly more clean sounding on edges. But the Spendors have a more natural (to my ears) and expansive overall soundstage and disappear more convincingly too. Because it hangs a bit further back, it can be peered into and washes over me, whereas with the Metas it’s a bit more thrust forward into my face. When coupled with the (relatively) concise treble, that makes them more wearing over time. The Spendors are not perfect by any means. On some tracks I sometimes wish for a bit more scale or edge. But taken as a whole, across the spectrum of music I listen to, they tick more boxes and satisfy far more consistently. Going off on a slight tangent, I should also mention the ATC SCM11’s that were on long home demo a few months back. They came so close in a lot of regards, and to this day, they still remain the most impressive I have listened to in my room, for midrange detail, soundstaging abilities, transparency and rhythmic drive. I was quite surprised how much more detail they communicate compared to the Metas, seeing as that is a known strength of the latter. The Metas share the slight forwardness of the ATC’s – and ultimately it’s what sealed the ATC’s fate for me, as the level of midrange and lower treble detail was startling at times (which could be somewhat fatiguing and surgical), but the ATC’s are more natural on voices and instruments, with a more inviting treble and more cohesive/rhythmic overall presentation. The Metas again win out on scale and bass weight though. In summary, if I had to rank the various speakers in recent months in order, in my current room and according to preferences, it would be: Spendor Classic 4/5 ATC SCM11 Dynaudio Special 40 Kef LS50 Meta Spendor Classic 3/1 (just too much bass unfortunately) Spendor A4 Q Acoustics Concept 300 Kef R3 PMC 21 Kef LSX I appreciate that is all woefully subjective though. If you are looking for a great value, clean sounding, concise, detailed, slightly mid-forward and large sounding speaker (relative to its size), the Metas are pretty hard to beat for the price in my experience.
  22. Definitely worth consideration. I wouldn't have thought so though, as it's got a decent chunk of power, and even the difficult to drive ATC SCM11 had tons of grip. More likely just poor room acoustics I'd expect, although you could be right. The 3/1's are fairly chunky in terms of driver size, cabinet volume and how low they go.
  23. I see the Spendor Classic 3/1 win a Hifi Choice, standmount group test in the June issue.
  24. Certainly I can understand woofer surrounds needing to loosen up. My Spendors definitely sound a bit more open and authoritative down low. Tweeters though, particularly hard domes, I'm just curious how these could ever acoustically change?
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