Club statistics

Members:
586
Threads:
230
Messages:
4905
Discussions:
6
Photos:
2

Linn Owners

Changing to Digital and Audiophile Network Switch

DiggyGun

DiggyGun
Wammer
Jul 15, 2020
197
171
63
UK
HiFi Trade?
  1. No
After making changes to our Hi-Fi system, as below, we decided to do some listening tests.

  • Selling the Linn Sondek LP12 deck
    • Oak plinth
    • Keel
    • Karousel
      • Tiger Paw Tranquility
    • Ekos SE
    • Krystal
    • Urika
      • Chord Shawline RCA to DIN Phono Lead
    • Tangerine Audio Khan Top Plate
    • Radikal (Akurate case)
  • Selling the Naim CD5 XS
  • Buying a Linn Klimax DS3/Katalyst Streamer

The following tracks were chosen for the listening tests;
  1. Women In Blue; Motherless Brooklyn; Various
  2. Cantaloupe Island; Empyrean Isles; Herbie Hancock
  3. Birdland; Heavy Weather; Weather Report
  4. A Love Supreme Pt. 1; A Love Supreme; John Coltrane
  5. Everybody Wants To Rule The World; Elevate; Lettuce
  6. The Road To Hell Pt. 1; The Road To Hell; Chris Rea
  7. Joys Of Christmas; Dancing With Strangers; Chris Rea
  8. Telegraph Road; Love Over Gold; Dire Straits
  9. Kalimba; Recycling The Blues & Other Related Stuff; Taj Mahal
  10. Ca’Purange(Jungle Soul); Bad! Bossa Nova; Gene Ammons
  11. Hey Laura; Liquid Spirit; Gregory Porter
  12. Unsquare Dance; Classics; Dave Brubeck
  13. Limbo; Toy; Yello

The present system set up is;
  • Linn Klimax DS3/ Katalyst
    • Chord Co; Signature Tuned Array RCA to DIN Interconnect
  • Naim NAC 282
    • Naim SuperCap
    • Naim NAPSC
      • Standard Naim Cables
  • Naim NAP 250 x 2
    • Naim SNAXO 242
    • Naim FlatCap XS
      • Standard Naim Cables
  • Naim Headline
    • Naim NAPSC
      • Standard Naim Cables
    • FOCAL Elear
      • CustomCans Headphone Cable
  • Kudos Titan 606
    • Naim NAC A5
  • All mains cables were Naim PowerLine Lites
  • Simon Price SimRack
  • The Network is Fibre to the house with an LAN (Ethernet) speed of around 230mbs and a Wi-Fi speed of around 200mbs.

Many thanks to Cymbiosis for setting up the system and for loaning me the English Electric 8 Switch for the test. The Naim PowerLine was picked up on eBay for the test at a good price. (If it didn’t work, we could re-sell on eBay and get the money back).


However, for the test, the Focal Elears were initially used to cut out any background noise.


The first session was with;
  • TP Link Switch (original Network Switch)

The second session was with;
  • EE8 Switch
    • Chord Co; C-Stream Ethernet Cable

The third session was with;
  • EE8 Switch
    • Chord Co; C-Stream Ethernet Cable
  • Naim PowerLine to the SuperCap

The fourth session was with;
  • TP Link Switch (as Session One)
  • Naim PowerLine to the SuperCap

The fifth session was with;
  • TP Link Switch (as Session One)

The results were;
  1. Set as the base, reference value. The fifth track appeared harsh
  2. Improvement in detail and instruments seemed to be more defined. Appeared to be more calm. Soundstage had increased However, still some harshness on the fifth track
  3. Built on the improvements from Session Two. Appeared to be even more laid back (not rushed) and detailed, could hear more background information and more subtle sounds. (These appeared to be more subdued on the first two sessions). Bass was more controlled and louder, but not boomy, particularly with the Yello track. Overall, tracks were very clear and well defined. Comparable with the old Linn Sondek LP12. Still some harshness on the fifth track.
  4. Some of the detail and definition was lost. Was better than Session One, but not better than Session Three. Hard to tell difference from Session Two. Still some harshness on the fifth track.
  5. Sounded far less detailed then Sessions Two, Three and Four. A bit like someone had put some wet ex-army blankets over the speakers. Still some harshness on the fifth track.

Did some further investigation into the fifth track and found that when played on the second system, as below, the track also appeared to be harsh, so must just be the original recoding.
  • Icon Audio Stereo 25 Mk II Integrated Valve Amplifier
  • Q Acoustics 2020i Speakers
  • QED Performance XT25 Speaker Cable
  • QED Performance Interconnect
  • Cambridge Audio DacMagic 100 Digital To Analogue Converter
  • iPad Pro
  • Qobuz
  • Amazon Prime Music

Overall conclusion
  • For our ears, the Linn Klimax DS3/Katalyst sounded better with the English Electric 8Switch and the Naim PowerLine connected to the Naim SuperCap. The preferred results were;
    • Session Three
    • Sessions Two / Four
    • Sessions One / Five

We played the tracks again set up as Session Three, but this time through the speakers and have to say that we are enjoying the system. It was just as enjoyable listening again to the same tracks, but even more so, with the speakers as there was greater depth, detail and sound stage. The bass was very much controlled but you could really hear the deep base from Yello, without any distortion.


Consequently, we have decided to keep the English Electric 8Switch and the Naim PowerLine to the Naim SuperCap.


It was great fun undertaking this listening test and Mrs DG and myself enjoyed the various sessions. It is appreciated that the tests are subjective and non-scientific based. It is also appreciated that there are two camps with regard to believing cables / switches make a difference. However, we are trying to convince anyone to change their opinions or thoughts, but rather just report what we have found with our simple test.


Finally, the conclusions are based on our personal opinion on the listening sessions and we have tried to be as objective as possible in the reporting of these.




Attachment.png
 

DiggyGun

DiggyGun
Wammer
Jul 15, 2020
197
171
63
UK
HiFi Trade?
  1. No
Update:

Following discussions with friends and comments on an alternate forum, I am now using IFI Power2 power supplies to both the EE8 and Netgear network switches. But they are both plugged into the existing house mains, rather than the dedicated Hi-Fi mains.

Letting everything settle down now, sitting back and enjoying the music. One thing we have found is that it’s so easy to play a greater repertoire of albums and artistes, which is proving great fun.

Finally, no turning back now. The records and CDs were sold to dealer yesterday and I’ve removed the CD storage unit and the five record storage units, which will eventually go on a well known auction site. In the meantime, this has made a huge amount of space, which Mrs DG has plans for, so will now have to do a bit of re-decorating and making good.

Who said life was dull…
 
  • Haha
Reactions: Chris 1970

maddog_007

maddog_007
Wammer Plus
Oct 17, 2018
610
742
148
66
Waterfoot ,Glasgow
AKA
dennis
HiFi Trade?
  1. No
After making changes to our Hi-Fi system, as below, we decided to do some listening tests.

  • Selling the Linn Sondek LP12 deck
    • Oak plinth
    • Keel
    • Karousel
      • Tiger Paw Tranquility
    • Ekos SE
    • Krystal
    • Urika
      • Chord Shawline RCA to DIN Phono Lead
    • Tangerine Audio Khan Top Plate
    • Radikal (Akurate case)
  • Selling the Naim CD5 XS
  • Buying a Linn Klimax DS3/Katalyst Streamer

The following tracks were chosen for the listening tests;
  1. Women In Blue; Motherless Brooklyn; Various
  2. Cantaloupe Island; Empyrean Isles; Herbie Hancock
  3. Birdland; Heavy Weather; Weather Report
  4. A Love Supreme Pt. 1; A Love Supreme; John Coltrane
  5. Everybody Wants To Rule The World; Elevate; Lettuce
  6. The Road To Hell Pt. 1; The Road To Hell; Chris Rea
  7. Joys Of Christmas; Dancing With Strangers; Chris Rea
  8. Telegraph Road; Love Over Gold; Dire Straits
  9. Kalimba; Recycling The Blues & Other Related Stuff; Taj Mahal
  10. Ca’Purange(Jungle Soul); Bad! Bossa Nova; Gene Ammons
  11. Hey Laura; Liquid Spirit; Gregory Porter
  12. Unsquare Dance; Classics; Dave Brubeck
  13. Limbo; Toy; Yello

The present system set up is;
  • Linn Klimax DS3/ Katalyst
    • Chord Co; Signature Tuned Array RCA to DIN Interconnect
  • Naim NAC 282
    • Naim SuperCap
    • Naim NAPSC
      • Standard Naim Cables
  • Naim NAP 250 x 2
    • Naim SNAXO 242
    • Naim FlatCap XS
      • Standard Naim Cables
  • Naim Headline
    • Naim NAPSC
      • Standard Naim Cables
    • FOCAL Elear
      • CustomCans Headphone Cable
  • Kudos Titan 606
    • Naim NAC A5
  • All mains cables were Naim PowerLine Lites
  • Simon Price SimRack
  • The Network is Fibre to the house with an LAN (Ethernet) speed of around 230mbs and a Wi-Fi speed of around 200mbs.

Many thanks to Cymbiosis for setting up the system and for loaning me the English Electric 8 Switch for the test. The Naim PowerLine was picked up on eBay for the test at a good price. (If it didn’t work, we could re-sell on eBay and get the money back).


However, for the test, the Focal Elears were initially used to cut out any background noise.


The first session was with;
  • TP Link Switch (original Network Switch)

The second session was with;
  • EE8 Switch
    • Chord Co; C-Stream Ethernet Cable

The third session was with;
  • EE8 Switch
    • Chord Co; C-Stream Ethernet Cable
  • Naim PowerLine to the SuperCap

The fourth session was with;
  • TP Link Switch (as Session One)
  • Naim PowerLine to the SuperCap

The fifth session was with;
  • TP Link Switch (as Session One)

The results were;
  1. Set as the base, reference value. The fifth track appeared harsh
  2. Improvement in detail and instruments seemed to be more defined. Appeared to be more calm. Soundstage had increased However, still some harshness on the fifth track
  3. Built on the improvements from Session Two. Appeared to be even more laid back (not rushed) and detailed, could hear more background information and more subtle sounds. (These appeared to be more subdued on the first two sessions). Bass was more controlled and louder, but not boomy, particularly with the Yello track. Overall, tracks were very clear and well defined. Comparable with the old Linn Sondek LP12. Still some harshness on the fifth track.
  4. Some of the detail and definition was lost. Was better than Session One, but not better than Session Three. Hard to tell difference from Session Two. Still some harshness on the fifth track.
  5. Sounded far less detailed then Sessions Two, Three and Four. A bit like someone had put some wet ex-army blankets over the speakers. Still some harshness on the fifth track.

Did some further investigation into the fifth track and found that when played on the second system, as below, the track also appeared to be harsh, so must just be the original recoding.
  • Icon Audio Stereo 25 Mk II Integrated Valve Amplifier
  • Q Acoustics 2020i Speakers
  • QED Performance XT25 Speaker Cable
  • QED Performance Interconnect
  • Cambridge Audio DacMagic 100 Digital To Analogue Converter
  • iPad Pro
  • Qobuz
  • Amazon Prime Music

Overall conclusion
  • For our ears, the Linn Klimax DS3/Katalyst sounded better with the English Electric 8Switch and the Naim PowerLine connected to the Naim SuperCap. The preferred results were;
    • Session Three
    • Sessions Two / Four
    • Sessions One / Five

We played the tracks again set up as Session Three, but this time through the speakers and have to say that we are enjoying the system. It was just as enjoyable listening again to the same tracks, but even more so, with the speakers as there was greater depth, detail and sound stage. The bass was very much controlled but you could really hear the deep base from Yello, without any distortion.


Consequently, we have decided to keep the English Electric 8Switch and the Naim PowerLine to the Naim SuperCap.


It was great fun undertaking this listening test and Mrs DG and myself enjoyed the various sessions. It is appreciated that the tests are subjective and non-scientific based. It is also appreciated that there are two camps with regard to believing cables / switches make a difference. However, we are trying to convince anyone to change their opinions or thoughts, but rather just report what we have found with our simple test.


Finally, the conclusions are based on our personal opinion on the listening sessions and we have tried to be as objective as possible in the reporting of these.


The English Electric was a wee stoatir! 😉

Attachment.png
 
  • Like
Reactions: DiggyGun

quinn_t

Newbie
Wammer
May 21, 2022
68
72
18
HiFi Trade?
  1. No
This is one of my favorite posts on this forum about network switch and power cable:

 
Last edited:

DiggyGun

DiggyGun
Wammer
Jul 15, 2020
197
171
63
UK
HiFi Trade?
  1. No
Hey @DiggyGun, do you have some fun on the Naim forum on this topic? What is your conclusion?
Yes, some of the replies have been very interesting. Usual believers and non-believers rhetoric.

But I can only comment on my system, what we’ve done and whether we liked it. It’s our ears after all. We really like the streamer and are very happy with it. The sound is very detailed and clear with good soundstage. Bass is very deep and well controlled.

Enjoying listening to a lot our favourite albums, plus ones we haven’t played for a while. I must admit that initially, I thought that I would miss the LP12, but no, far from it. The streamer is on most of the day, either with Jazz24 radio as background music, or when we are listening as such to the variety of albums.

Apart from having a neater rack, one other benefit, which I hadn’t considered is the space for storage for the records and CDs. Gone are the five record storage units (200 capacity each) and CD storage cabinet (760 capacity). Consequently, we’ve now got a lot more space, so just busy redecorating that area.

The set up is now virtually finished, just waiting for delivery of the last two Naim PowerLine mains cables for the two Naim NAP250 amps.

With regard to the post, it has developed into a rather technical post, which is way over my head. But very interesting, nonetheless.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Wenge1 and quinn_t