dCS Bartok DAC Review - GoldenSound on YouTube

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dCS Bartók review | What Hi-Fi? (whathifi.com)


same DAC , totally different findings!


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While the Bartók is very much an entry-level product in dCS terms, it packs a full dose of the company’s proprietary technologies into its well-built aluminium casework. It’s well specified and nice to use and, most importantly, one of the best sounding digital sources we’ve heard at this level. Recommended? You bet.

 

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While the Bartók is very much an entry-level product in dCS terms, it packs a full dose of the company’s proprietary technologies into its well-built aluminium casework. It’s well specified and nice to use and, most importantly, one of the best sounding digital sources we’ve heard at this level. Recommended? You bet.
Any idea how it compares to the  esoteric N-05XD sir . I've lately become a bit of a esoteric fan boy :)

I've hated my esoteric K-01 for almost 5 years. Tried selling it numerous times, but always failed. But a combination of room treatment and change in amplification have resulted in a stunning sound. I've tried the newer dac champions, even one highly recommended by ASR. But I still love the esoteric in the end :)

 

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While the Bartók is very much an entry-level product in dCS terms, it packs a full dose of the company’s proprietary technologies into its well-built aluminium casework. It’s well specified and nice to use and, most importantly, one of the best sounding digital sources we’ve heard at this level. Recommended? You bet.
Can we trust magazine reviews? Especially of high end kit.

 

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It's almost as if opinions are subjective, isn't it!
Are they really to that extent. He said the Bartok was out-resolved by a Gustard X26 Pro which costs £1200 and sounds like a Chord Qutest with better soundstage.

 
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I'm finding this "smoothing off the transients" idea a little hard to understand. How could a DAC be designed to do that, even deliberately?
Perhaps it could be a byproduct of the upsampling technology.

But I would keep in mind that, being a description of a perceived effect, it is possible that it is not literal.

 

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Perhaps it could be a byproduct of the upsampling technology.

But I would keep in mind that, being a description of a perceived effect, it is possible that it is not literal.
What sort of byproduct?

I'd be surprised if it's literal, TBH.

 

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What sort of byproduct?

I'd be surprised if it's literal, TBH.
I need to watch the video and it is not possible at the moment.

Some types of distortion could be responsible for a perceived and even a literal “smoothing of transients”, but even with a comprehensive set of measurements it may not be readily apparent.

 

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I'm finding this "smoothing off the transients" idea a little hard to understand. How could a DAC be designed to do that, even deliberately?
Many DACs do that to some extent. Why? I don't know. But he criticised the Chord Qutest for it, too:

 
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I'm finding this "smoothing off the transients" idea a little hard to understand. How could a DAC be designed to do that, even deliberately?
If you read the comments in his review someone asks what might make the sound "soft" and he replied:

"There's a few things that could explain it. Mediocre jitter performance, the high levels of ultrasonic noise etc. Its hard to say for certain as there isn't really any concrete research into what links subjective aspects such as softness to various objective aspects..."

 
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Can we trust magazine reviews? Especially of high end kit.
The short answer is no.

 The long answer is maybe, but definitely not WHF?. GoldenSound is reasonably knowledgeable and thorough and worth watching. But his preference may not match yours. That is why I find subjective reviews of little worth and only read the technical assessment.

 

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The short answer is no.

 The long answer is maybe, but definitely not WHF?. GoldenSound is reasonably knowledgeable and thorough and worth watching. But his preference may not match yours. That is why I find subjective reviews of little worth and only read the technical assessment.
His review is very thorogh and covers all bases really. He compares the Bartok to several other devices which he has access to. Technical assessments only tell you so much.

 
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As someone who has recently bought a dCS Bartok, non headphone stage unit, I can only speak as I find and using my own ears, it, without doubt, has raised my set up to the most breathtaking levels of SQ I've heard and not a hint of grain or brightness.

Like any piece of kit, it has to be heard for yourself, preferably in your own system, before dismissing it after reading/watching reviews.

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Haven't watched the video, but I take it was fully run in and not a new out the box, as I have heard the bartock many times and even in my own system and loved it.

Having said that, I got the rossini in the end as that is simply stunning 

 
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As someone who has recently bought a dCS Bartok
I got the rossini in the end as that is simply stunning
The fact that a piece of equipment sounds good to us is not indicative of its absolute technical or objective performance.

Ultimately the former is what matters most, and why I suggest that people listen if they are curious.

But, in my view, one must not confuse the two and keep that in mind when making recommendations or in the way one defends one’s damsel.

That is why whenever someone, naively, asks for equipment suggestions the fist 10 or 20 replies will all recommend an equal number of different models, all excellent and great sounding in the optic of the poster but not necessarily to the OP whose taste cannot match that of people who suggest a dozen different speakers, cartridges or DACs.

There are pieces of equipment which perform better in absolute terms (comparatively) than others. That does not mean that such equipment will sound good to most people, and this in turn may or may not reduce the importance of objective performance as a metric of listening satisfaction. On top of that, a stereo playback is a system consisting of different parts which have to work “well” together and each room will imprint its sonic signature on the final outcome, which as noted depends on several factors that will then have to match a particular listener’s preference. Oversimplification does not help, nor does misunderstanding critical, rational assessment as an attack on a particular favourite brand or our own preference.

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In audio, technical performance is absolute but preference is relative.

An Audi R8 may be more effective and lap faster around a circuit but a TVR Tuscan might provide a more exciting driving experience and some people will rate that higher.

 
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The fact that a piece of equipment sounds good to us is not indicative of its absolute technical or objective performance.

Ultimately the former is what matters most, and why I suggest that people listen if they are curious.

But, in my view, one must not confuse the two and keep that in mind when making recommendations or in the way one defends one’s damsel.

That is why whenever someone, naively, asks for equipment suggestions the fist 10 or 20 replies will all recommend an equal number of different models, all excellent and great sounding in the optic of the poster but not necessarily to the OP whose taste cannot match that of people who suggest a dozen different speakers, cartridges or DACs.

There are pieces of equipment which perform better in absolute terms (comparatively) than others. That does not mean that such equipment will sound good to most people, and this in turn may or may not reduce the importance of objective performance as a metric of listening satisfaction. On top of that, a stereo playback is a system consisting of different parts which have to work “well” together and each room will imprint its sonic signature on the final outcome, which as noted depends on several factors that will then have to match a particular listener’s preference. Oversimplification does not help, nor does misunderstanding critical, rational assessment as an attack on a particular favourite brand or our own preference.

.

In audio, technical performance is absolute but preference is relative.

An Audi R8 may be more effective and lap faster around a circuit but a TVR Tuscan might provide a more exciting driving experience and some people will rate that higher.
:goodone:

 
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