He said nothing about £1,800 leads, we pointed this out to him he just spoke about a £30 leadSo let's talk about the high end hi-fi industry. I wrote about their very expensive power cables last month, ranging from £30 to a whopping £1,800
He is just wanting to sell newspapersI’m in two minds again about the Goldacre test. On the one hand he’s trying to find something out, to do something the UK Hi-Fi press are reluctant to do (speculate on the exact reasons why) but on the other he’s still using unnecessary and derogatory language; “hi-fi freaksâ€.
He doesn't in the article Tones, but we get a nice mention on badscience.net. I suspect that coupled with Dave mentioing us on some wierd but popular Google community has caused the sudden membershiop surge.Dave,Can you point to the part of his articule where he quotes us please?
Its gone I posted here or hi fi choice and pasted an item on ce testingDave,Can you point to the part of his articule where he quotes us please?
I just pasted the item to his own thread on his web site
Who meDave mentioing us on some wierd but popular Google community has caused the sudden membershiop surge.
http://www.badscience.net/?p=209Ok kids, good to get some issues ironed out, but we’d better get cracking on this now. Just a few practical things to be sorted:1. i’m going to build a webpage with links to the files and email links to vote with. if anybody thinks they ought to program a more complicated voting system then do speak now.
2. for music, we’ve got: some stuff from the label NAIM coming on cd (i think); probably some asian electronic stuff; and some contemporary classical. if anyone can put something big glamorous and commercial in my hand with proof that i can use it without being sued then do so quickly, it’ll be much better.
3. has anybody got a cd player which takes a kettle lead somewhere in central-ish london that i can borrow for a day?
Mr Goldacre really has lost the plot. There is a 'difference' from swapping the power cord on a transport but 1) It's ever so subtle and 2) You needhigh resolution ancillaries to detect that subtle change. Whether he can detect any worthwhile differences is more conjecture than certainty.Ben Goldacre said:http://www.badscience.net/?p=209Ok kids, good to get some issues ironed out, but we’d better get cracking on this now. Just a few practical things to be sorted:1. i’m going to build a webpage with links to the files and email links to vote with. if anybody thinks they ought to program a more complicated voting system then do speak now.
2. for music, we’ve got: some stuff from the label NAIM coming on cd (i think); probably some asian electronic stuff; and some contemporary classical. if anyone can put something big glamorous and commercial in my hand with proof that i can use it without being sued then do so quickly, it’ll be much better.
3. has anybody got a cd player which takes a kettle lead somewhere in central-ish london that i can borrow for a day?
From what I can gather Goldacre is trying to find out if there is any audible difference with the digital output of a CD player when used with a standard / non-standard power cord. Apparently this has been claimed by some vendors.
Presumably the ones and zeros sound better with a fancy power cord? Has anyone ever heard this effect as an improvement with a transport – I’ve not seen any comments on any forum etc
I think it is a perfectly valid way to check if a power lead changes the output of a CDP acting as a transport. The only way they "could" differ with regard to recording onto CDRs IIRC Moseft is that jitter can supposedly be transferred onto a CDR, a claim I read about a few years ago. Thus the kettle lead may be more succeptable to increasing jitter, but all things considered it will be measurable I would imagine.So, is there any software that can compare WAV files bit-for-bit? Surely if a WAV file sourced from a CD transport or player with a standard power cord is identical bit-for-bit to a WAV file sourced from the same CD transport or player with a non-standard power cord, then those two files are by definition identical?
I don’t know if this is the case or not (and I’m not that clued up on the digital side of things) but it sounds a reasonable way to find out.
Surely the fact that some cable vendors (Russ Andrews, for example) claim that their mains cables will audibly enhance even budget equipment means that this is a reasonable thing to test - so long as the supplier of the cable in question makes this claim about it, why not test it?Mr Goldacre really has lost the plot. There is a 'difference' from swapping the power cord on a transport but 1) It's ever so subtle and 2) You need high resolution ancillaries to detect that subtle change. Whether he can detect any worthwhile differences is more conjecture than certainty.