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Used Akurate DSM options

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I’m pretty close (finally!) to buying a used Akurate DSM.  Was hoping you could help my thought process as to what is the best option: 

Option 1) DSM1 upgraded to DSM3 with 4 years warranty left.  £500 more expensive than option 2

Option 2) DSM 0 upgraded to DSM3 with 2.5 years warranty left.  £1,150 more expensive than option 3

Option 3) DSM 0 

If I went for Option 3 I would upgrade to Katalyst.  This would be the most expensive route to getting a Katalyst version but I would get a new 5 year warranty.

Option 2 is financially the most attractive but a bit deterred by the shortish warranty.

In your view is the extra 1.5 year warranty of Option 1 worth the extra £500?

I suppose the other way of asking this question is, how reliable are the Akurate DSMs?  All things being equal am I likely to experience any issues that are beyond economical repair over the long term?  

For me at least this purchase is a big financial commitment so just want to try and make the right decision.

The sellers are all professional/ non private.

Many thanks in advance!

Paul

 

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Hi All

I’m pretty close (finally!) to buying a used Akurate DSM.  Was hoping you could help my thought process as to what is the best option: 

Option 1) DSM1 upgraded to DSM3 with 4 years warranty left.  £500 more expensive than option 2

Option 2) DSM 0 upgraded to DSM3 with 2.5 years warranty left.  £1,150 more expensive than option 3

Option 3) DSM 0 

If I went for Option 3 I would upgrade to Katalyst.  This would be the most expensive route to getting a Katalyst version but I would get a new 5 year warranty.

Option 2 is financially the most attractive but a bit deterred by the shortish warranty.

In your view is the extra 1.5 year warranty of Option 1 worth the extra £500?

I suppose the other way of asking this question is, how reliable are the Akurate DSMs?  All things being equal am I likely to experience any issues that are beyond economical repair over the long term?  

For me at least this purchase is a big financial commitment so just want to try and make the right decision.

The sellers are all professional/ non private.

Many thanks in advance!

Paul
If any Adsm goes wrong, which I've not experienced, there is a flat rate  service charge of £460. Worth taking into consideration. 

 

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Are  you using the Exakt facility?

If so then I would seriously consider a used Akurate System  Hub and Exaktbox-i. You could get hold of a used Exaktbox-i (non Kat) for £2500 (first hand experience - sold one this week).

 

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Thanks Suffolkboy, that’s good to know.  I think the allays concerns about ££££ going up in smoke.  Do repairs get done by Linn directly or through the dealership network?

Dasher - thanks for this.  My preferred route would have been Akurate System Hub plus Exaktbox I.  Looks a great combo for the money but new is a stretch too far at the moment.  I’ve been looking for ages for used and not come across anything hence the DSM route which would be paired with my old but great sounding amp.  If you have any ideas where to look would appreciate any insight.

Many thanks

 

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Do repairs get done by Linn directly or through the dealership network?
You’d have to send it via a dealer, but service items are returned to Linn. 
 

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If you have any ideas where to look would appreciate any insight.
Personally, I would make my wishes known to my preferred dealer and get on their list - they may have Akurate Hubs in the pipeline which are being traded in. They will also have existing customers who are considering a change, as well as good contacts across the dealer network. Don’t forget Richard at Krescendo Hifi - Ive dealt with him several times and thoroughly recommend him.

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I bought a demo Adsm/1 and upgraded it to katalyst last month and now have the full 5 year warranty. But I also realized that my future is either passive with solos or Exakt. The Adsm has no moving parts so it’s not that susceptible to a break down compared to CD players.

To my ears Exakt is a bigger upgrade than katalyst so if you can get the Adsm/1 (has exakt links) for cheap Id suggest going that route and listening to it that way the katalyst upgrade ia not wasted if you go Exakt. It’s already a very large jump from an mdsm/3

If I was to redo my route i would have rather spend the $2500 on a used exaktbox instead of katalyst. I haven’t heard an AEDSM/ash yet but am getting an exaktbox-I and an AEDSM on loan soon. The only thing that is be concerned about is the how Bourne out the display is. I hated my weak mdsm/1 display.

Before people start arguing I very clearly stated “to my ears”

If the Exaktbox-I works out then i’ll be listing my Adsm/1 (now Adsm/3 with kat and 5 years warranty) for sale at $6900 but the US warranty is not valid in the UK.


Adsm/3 >> Akurate 4200/1 >> Akurate 242 (mark 1) Silvers/K200

 

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A further option is to stick with your own pre amp and go for a Klimax DS. You could get a nice one with your budget A KDS/1 renew is a far better streamer than any of the Akurate (including in a Katalyst system) models that I have heard (and I have KRDS/1 and ASH here). Very rarely do I say one thing is better than another - but in this case it is clearly audible.

 

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Personally, I would make my wishes known to my preferred dealer and get on their list - they may have Akurate Hubs in the pipeline which are being traded in. They will also have existing customers who are considering a change, as well as good contacts across the dealer network. Don’t forget Richard at Krescendo Hifi - Ive dealt with him several times and thoroughly recommend him.

’troll
I agree

Last fall, I sold my Majik Exaktbox I to Richard at Krescendo, to help fund my new Akurate Exaktbox I.

‘Richard was easy to work with, gave me a fair price and paid for my shipping back to the UK

 

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Thanks guys, appreciate the advice.

Out of interest what would people’s recommendations/preferences be for either:

ASH plus Exaktbox-I or

ASDM without Katalyst plus Exaktbox 6 and two Klouts?

Thanks

 

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Thanks guys, appreciate the advice.
Out of interest what would people’s recommendations/preferences be for either:
ASH plus Exaktbox-I or
ASDM without Katalyst plus Exaktbox 6 and two Klouts?
Thanks
I can’t see what speakers you have but the exaktbox-I allows you to bypass the internal amps and use your Klouts if needed. Since it has 8 channels that’s another plus. My suggestion just for that reason would be the exaktbox-I


Adsm/3 >> Akurate 4200/1 >> Akurate 242 (mark 1) Silvers/K200
 

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Thanks Zee, I have a pair of Ninkas.  Sounds like the Exaktbox-I is a great product.  Would love to hear how you get on with it

 

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Thanks Zee, I have a pair of Ninkas.  Sounds like the Exaktbox-I is a great product.  Would love to hear how you get on with it
I’ll keep you updated on how they sound with my kabers when I receive it.

The gentleman who invited me to his home to introduce me to Exakt, had exakted ninkas with a Klimax exaktbox, 2 x 3200’s (D) and that experience made me regret selling my ninkas. The ninkas have great bass foe the price but lack mids to my ears but in Exakt they sound fantastic. Please don keep in mind that his TT is almost Klimax level which I thoroughly enjoyed. His streamer was an mdsm/3 which I think he desperately needs to change to atleast an Adsm or KSH.

He was planning to buy 3 serviced Klouts but went with the akurate amps instead and still wonders if the Klouts would have been a better fit. I only have two Klouts so I can’t try the Klouts in Exakt with my kabers as yet. Well one day!!!


Adsm/3 >> Akurate 4200/1 >> Akurate 242 (mark 1) Silvers/K200
 

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Paulie - the ninkas do need to be tri-aktiv to sound as good as I heard them. The exaktbox-I will allow you that and you can use the Klouts once you have a third one. If you prefer the Klouts you could always sell the exaktbox-I for a Exaktbox6 (k) or a Klimax exaktbox.

Don’t mix the amps though. That sounded crap to my ears.


Adsm/3 >> Akurate 4200/1 >> Akurate 242 (mark 1) Silvers/K200

 

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Don’t mix the amps though. That sounded crap to my ears.
My experience too!

To the OP:

The exaktbox-i amplifiers are very good and in my opinion punch above  their weight. I heard Kudos 707Titans driven by them recently  (from a NG KDSM)  and they weren't struggling at all. 

I have no idea what they are like compared to Klouts.

If you are going to use Exakt then, unless you need the analogue out facility for any reason, you are paying a premium for the ADSM for facilities that you will never use.

 

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A further option is to stick with your own pre amp and go for a Klimax DS. You could get a nice one with your budget A KDS/1 renew is a far better streamer than any of the Akurate (including in a Katalyst system) models that I have heard (and I have KRDS/1 and ASH here). Very rarely do I say one thing is better than another - but in this case it is clearly audible.
Hi Dasher

Just re-reading your suggestion of a Kilmax DS Renew.  Do you think if this was matched with a Kairn / Klout, this would be sonically superior to a ADSM/3 with Klout?  
 

My reasoning for the ADSM/3 was that the preamp was better than the Kairn plus the advantages of a great DAC and streamer.  

Also what potential replacement would you suggest for the Kairn/Klout?   

Are there any other pros/cons of either route?

Thanks

Paul

 

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Hi Dasher
Just re-reading your suggestion of a Kilmax DS Renew.  Do you think if this was matched with a Kairn / Klout, this would be sonically superior to a ADSM/3 with Klout?  
 
My reasoning for the ADSM/3 was that the preamp was better than the Kairn plus the advantages of a great DAC and streamer.  

Also what potential replacement would you suggest for the Kairn/Klout?   
Are there any other pros/cons of either route?
Thanks
Paul
Don’t know if this matters to you but to experiment I tried the Adsm/3 in unity gain (no DVC) to the kairn. I got more sibilance than I liked. Id have to try it out with a much better analog preamp. My guess would be an older akurate kontrol would be better. The phono stage in the Adsm is way way better than the kairn.

What I really liked about Ninkas was that in analog Aktiv majik amps sounded pleasant enough. Ofcourse akurate amps made it even better but both the above tests were only done in bi-Aktiv mode. I sold the ninkas as I didn’t get the midrange that I got from my kabers. When I heard them in Exakt with 2 x 3200’s I was blown away and regretted my sale. More than enough mid range for my ears and probably lower bass than my present 242’s. (Not as much detail as the 242’s though)

Luckily I still have my 4200/1 to add to the exaktbox-I to compare when it arrives.


Adsm/3 >> Akurate 4200/1 >> Akurate 242 (mark 1) Silvers/K200
 

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Hi Paul

The Kairn is very different to the newer generation Linn pre-amps - I went to a 5103, Unidisk SC then Exotik, Kinos and Kisto  from a Kairn (and 5125s). I use my KRDS/1 with a Kisto - the Kisto is a very good pre-amp -incredibly transparent and to  my ears only (just) bettered by a Klimax Kontrol - but no longer supported by Linn. I can't really say whether the ASH is a 'better' pre amp than a Kairn as the are so different - but it is good - I would say comparative to at least an Exotik.