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I wasn't aware that Nigel had traded his passive 40s with you for Dutch and Dutch. He has kept that quiet. Indeed I was round at Nigel's house yesterday and did not see any Dutch and Dutch so he must have got rid of them quite quickly.

There are many aspects of the sound of the ATC active 40 that I prefer compared to the sound of the Dutch and Dutch. And of course going the ATC active route means that one can upgrade to better DACs.

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15 minutes ago, PuritéAudio said:

Hmm, well they are solid enough but I have now taken five pairs of ATC’s against Dutch&Dutch, including Nigel’s passive forties, active 40,50 and 150 anniversaries.

try and hear speakers sideby side in the same room, then you will have a really valid comparison.

Keith

I think you must have meant to post this in the Dutch & Dutch Owners thread!

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Super Dealer

My apologies, the point really  is you should always compare speakers side by side in the same room, if you possibly can.

Then you have a really valid opinion.

Keith

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56 minutes ago, PuritéAudio said:

My apologies, the point really  is you should always compare speakers side by side in the same room, if you possibly can.

Then you have a really valid opinion.

Keith

That would make perfect sense with any two “normal” pairs of speakers of course. But because of the Dutch & Dutch cleverness, they’re supposed to sound good in just about any room because they can be tuned to the room. And the SCM40A’s can’t. So  if we imagine hearing both speakers in ten different shaped and sized rooms, the D&D should come up trumps every time.

This means that those people who heard the D&D’s at Kegworth heard them at their best (presuming that Lee, I think it was, did the calibration correctly). The D&D’s put their best foot forward... as they only have a best foot! Putting the SCM40A’s in the same room would be “fair” but irrelevant unless the room in which they’re actually going to live is identical.

I therefore claim that my opinion is valid. As is Nick’s.

Thanks for listening (you do, don’t you?). 😉

Best regards,

Nigel

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Super Dealer

That’s really one of the key points of these modern speaker designs they  bring some of the attributes of soffit mounting in a fully treated room to your room.

Keith

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Super Wammer

The thing I found strange about the D&D room at Kegworth, was that the speakers were firing across the narrowest part of the room, where you could put only 3 chairs, whereas if you had fired them down the length of the room, you could have had at least 9 chairs for listening, which, considering the interest these had created before the show, would IMO have been more beneficial for everyone. When I asked the question, I was told Lee said they would sound better this way. I thought the whole point of these speakers was that they could be tuned to suit any room, any shape.

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Super Dealer

You would have to ask Lee, I presume he measured them in both positions and felt across would be better, I find that once you have reduced any really gross room errors they sound pretty much the same in any room you place them in.

Keith

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The only question I have, is whether SCM50 ASLTs or the bigger 100s will sound best in my lounge B|

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28 minutes ago, Bodgit said:

The only question I have, is whether SCM50 ASLTs or the bigger 100s will sound best in my lounge B|

Not sure if you are just jesting or are half serious but as far as I am aware the tower version should sound identical to the non tower version because the volume of the speaker box is the same in both. So you could look at ASL as well as the ASLT versions. With my 150ASL I think I prefer the look with the open stand rather than the veneered base that makes them look like a tower version or anniversary version. 

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36 minutes ago, Fourlegs said:

Not sure if you are just jesting or are half serious but as far as I am aware the tower version should sound identical to the non tower version because the volume of the speaker box is the same in both. So you could look at ASL as well as the ASLT versions. With my 150ASL I think I prefer the look with the open stand rather than the veneered base that makes them look like a tower version or anniversary version. 

Thanks for clarifying, yes I thought the tower and non-tower versions were essentially identical. I prefer the tower version aesthetically, but wondering if the 100 litre box will be just too big for my lounge. They're also £4k more expensive. Probably the 50s are big enough and more compatible with SWMBO (bless her)!

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5 minutes ago, Bodgit said:

Thanks for clarifying, yes I thought the tower and non-tower versions were essentially identical. I prefer the tower version aesthetically, but wondering if the 100 litre box will be just too big for my lounge. They're also £4k more expensive. Probably the 50s are big enough and more compatible with SWMBO (bless her)!

I'm with Nick on this. He bought the towers and we both thought they would look more lounge-friendly than the metal stands, but actually (and surprisingly perhaps) the latter substantially reduce the visual impact of the speakers.

I wouldn't dream of having (and wouldn't be allowed to have) either in my listening room - or, as my wife insists on calling it, the lounge. The curved cabinets of the 40's make them look more like a real piece of furniture. Photo taken yesterday courtesy of Nick and his new camera plaything vs pic of SCM50s from a Wam advert which happened to pop up during a web search:

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Mmmmm ATC active porn :rude:

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I went with the 50ASLTs and my lounge is not huge, 5m x 4m but these speakers are!!!!

Personally, the proportions on the 50 towers are bang on and they certainly have a presence. Perhaps not as pretty as the 40s but bloody hell, they sound incredible. But then a £15K speaker should! 

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On 21 March 2019 at 16:16, Bodgit said:

The only question I have, is whether SCM50 ASLTs or the bigger 100s will sound best in my lounge B|

I have lots of side by side pics on flckr if that helps

https://flic.kr/p/8b3fnT

I had them for cmparisn for abt two weeks and the only difference in sound is that the 100s are a bit louder and have a little more bass extention. Otherwise they will sound identical.

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Super Wammer

FYI, just put my name down for Wam 2020, mid-March dates TBC. Might share yet-to-arrive Boenicke 8's but Maverick has those covered; most likely ATC SCM40A, though not sure about much else yet.

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