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Jerry, good on yer mate :^... Thanks for owning up, and respect for revealing the findings... not many would have the gumption to do so... Top bloke! :)

Interestingly enough, we used three wildly different cables, two were Jerry's a mega thick oil filled jobbie with plaited copper conductors (IIRC) and a solid silver foil in separate tubes with a plastic spacer, and thirdly I supplied a Sony freebie ic, that came in 70's cassette deck, and couldn't be worth more than 50p.. ;)

We tested the LCR values of each before the test, and I convinced myself that the the cable with the highest capacitance would sound less bright, and guess what that's exactly what I found (but in reality it didn't!). The test was unsighted (for Jerry)and in random order, and each cable was listened to 3 times.. by the end I couldn't hear a difference either... ;)

I still believe that 2 cables with wildly differing LCR values would sound different, (but yet to hear it!), but why would any one want anything other than a cable that reads as close to zero in any case? As surely its restricting the signal in some way, isn't it?

:peace:

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zanash wrote:

Actually there are still cable none believers left on ZG.....its just that the rabid idiots who would not allow anyone to have ideas other than there own have been thrown out at long last .....mainly due to there own incompetance ie abusing the moderators !

ADVERT REMOVED.

As to discussions no problems there .........as long as both side accept that each other is entitled to there own opinions.......

People seem to forget that for the first ten years in this hobby I was a vociferous cable sceptic .....untill was able to hear two dissimlar cables ......

now this may sound rather obvious...................

MORE ADVERTISING REMOVED.

:grrr::grrr::grrr:

Why not go back to Zanashgain and enjoy the unspoilt atmsphere over there ?, If ever I wanted "user only" forums, chaps like you make it more likely every day.

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JANDL100 wrote:

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A few deeep breaths are needed here, I think, James - your cable-induced Red Mist is starting to descend again, and it's only 9.30 in the morning. Just keep taking the tablets. ;-)

BTW - I still think cable differences can be real and are sonically important. :cool:

I only get cable red mist when people make condescending remarks like that.

All credit to you for taking the test. No credit to you for accepting that we agree. Or for accepting the findings of the test. Faith runs deep in this one.:D

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HiFiWigWam wrote:

I only get cable red mist when people make condescending remarks like that.
Sorry, James. It was intended in jest.

All credit to you for taking the test.

Thank you. I am genuinely curious about this subject and happy to give any reasonable test a go.
No credit to you for accepting that we agree. Or for accepting the findings of the test.
Well, I can come up with all sorts of rationalisations for why I heard sod-all differences at Dana's place (of course!)
Faith runs deep in this one.:D
Or perhaps experiences differ.

I don't think you'll ever convince me to be a NCB, I'm afraid, it's just not the way I hear it at home in my own familiar system. It would be dishonest of me to say anything else.

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I am not trying to convince you to be an NCB Jerry. Don't worry.

All I am trying to say is that you posted the very point i have been trying to make to you and others for bloody years. Whenever i suggest it people take great offence. When you suggest it, you then retract it and deny the results of the very test you took.

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HiFiWigWam wrote:

I am not trying to convince you to be an NCB Jerry. Don't worry.

All I am trying to say is that you posted the very point i have been trying to make to you and others for bloody years. Whenever i suggest it people take great offence. When you suggest it, you then retract it and deny the results of the very test you took.

The problem is that I have two opposing sets of experiences and viewpoints. The blind test I took with Dana was just one of those experiences.

Ultimately, it's up to me to decide how to rationalise those perceptions. I choose to come down on the other side of the fence to you, because that seems the most likely side to be correct based on all of my own personal experiences. I really think that to do otherwise would be dishonest of me.

Your experiences differ, and your conclusions are correspondingly different- and that is fair enough.

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No Jerry my experiences are the same. My experiences are exactly the same as what you post. You still don't seem to be able to accept that? Its very frustrating being ignored like this you know.

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HiFiWigWam wrote:

No Jerry my experiences are the same. My experiences are exactly the same as what you post. You still don't seem to be able to accept that? Its very frustrating being ignored like this you know.

OK - I accept that.

But ... we both seem sensible and intelligent people, and we have come to different ultimate conclusions,so wherein lies the difference? I don't know.

And does it matter that we disagree? I don't think so. I'm quite happy for you to use whatever cables you choose.

Perhaps we should just leave it there.

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earlofsodbury wrote:

Now we're arguing about arguing about cables.

This is both silly and dull.

:dead:

Right on cue – you moan about the same people causing cable wars Earl, what is dull is you arriving at every opportunity to say a cable thread is dead (people put up with your hifi foibles in threads why not put up with theirs ?). it is getting daft IMHO, there is some excellent views and opinions flying around about cables in this thread, why the need to shout down these or say the thread is dead ? Why not ignore ?

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JANDL100 wrote:

HiFiWigWam wrote:
No Jerry my experiences are the same. My experiences are exactly the same as what you post. You still don't seem to be able to accept that? Its very frustrating being ignored like this you know.

OK - I accept that.

But ... we both seem sensible and intelligent people, and we have come to different ultimate conclusions,so wherein lies the difference? I don't know.

And does it matter that we disagree? I don't think so. I'm quite happy for you to use whatever cables you choose.

Perhaps we should just leave it there.

You don't Jerry, what with all this box swapping you come across as some kind of nutter. :D

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Ok everyone take a deep breath and count to a million

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Ok everyone take a deep breath and count to a million

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Cable debates are interesting. Everyone has a point of view, and if you agree or disagree, that is your opinion. In my opinion one particular cable is no better or worse than another (Ok, apart from freebies). A cable is either suitable or unsuitable for a particular system.

A cable won't make abudget systempunch above it's weightas is can't add what is not there in the first place. However, an unsuitable cable (cheap or expensive) can make a high end system sound rubbish. Some cheaper cables can sound infinitely better than expensive cables on some systems normally due tothe systemssensitivity to the capacitive effectof the cable, however a lot of systems have a widetolerance to capacitive cables designed in to them.

Normally, I would consider paying anymore than 15-20% of the source components value on I/C'sas crazy, but if you can afford it, and if you can hear a difference then who cares?

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earlofsodbury wrote:

cjr wrote:
earlofsodbury wrote:
Now we're arguing about arguing about cables.

This is both silly and dull.

:dead:

Right on cue – you moan about the same people causing cable wars Earl, what is dull is you arriving at every opportunity to say a cable thread is dead (people put up with your hifi foibles in threads why not put up with theirs ?). it is getting daft IMHO, there is some excellent views and opinions flying around about cables in this thread, why the need to shout down these or say the thread is dead ? Why not ignore ?

:TheBird::TheBird::TheBird::TheBird::TheBird::TheBird::TheBird::TheBird::TheBird::TheBird::TheBird::TheBird::TheBird::TheBird:

Before you edited :
Because your smug, pompous, self-satisfied and infinitely predictable contributions to Every Single Cable Thread, Ever are SO irritating, I just can't help picking at the scab.

Your idea of "excellent views and opinions " is anyone who happens to agree with you, you consistently fail to distinguish between opinion and fact,and you're utterly incapable of grasping that your tiny experience in the matter is definitive only for you! How spectacularly conceited!

You could be replaced by a few lines of code which caused "all cable-makers are crooks, anyone who believescables make a difference is a deluded idiot because they don't work for me" to be posted in every single thread where the word "cable"crops-up, and no-one would even know you were dead... err... I meant "not physically contributing".

In answer to that ;):

Earl easy now, I know your still hurting after your dealer mate being banned (nothing to do with me whatsoever - check with admin !! you have been winding up the digs and innuendo since that event) so I’ll let you wing it on what I think about cables.

Face it dude, one I am gone you’ll turn your attention to someone else you don’t like. And you should actually read the amount of cable threads I take part in, before you go off on one of your hissy fits agains.

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