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11 hours ago, HouseElf said:

Up to £2,000.

That budget is tough if including a DAC as the amp including dac configuration is a fairly recent concept in the quality end of hifi so it excludes most second hand amplification.  I know that it is beyond budget but Hifi News gave a rave review for the Gato Audio DIA-250 NPM this month - another product exclusive to Elite in the UK I believe. At 250W it has enough power for a Boenicke, and it also has a network streamer included. Seems remarkable value for money at £2900.  Review attached. 

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Hundred or two over budget. Appears in the 'gorgeous gadgets' thread, so might be worth a PM to the owner here. No idea what it sounds like, but it does seem to cover all the bases and more: https://nadelectronics.com/product/m10-bluos-streaming-amplifier/

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I would say from experience with W8s that 250w is not enough YMMV

plus  (and I admit this is personal) I not yet heard a Class D that I like and would suspect it would sound harsh with Boenicke speakers IMHO as always

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I would say from experience with W8s that 250w is not enough YMMV

plus  (and I admit this is personal) I not yet heard a Class D that I like and would suspect it would sound harsh with Boenicke speakers IMHO as always

I have a class D amp and it doesn't sound harsh at all.

I'm sure it depends on what class D amp you have and also everyone's hearing is different.

I have a Nord amp at the moment (which has recently been superseded) which allows opamps to be changed which changes the character of the sound.

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Thanks for all the suggestions. The Gato looks stunning - it seems Elite Audio have one on eBay ex-dem so may be worth investigating. 

As with Maverick I haven’t heard a Class D amp that I have particularly enjoyed but must admit it was years ago when I had one at home to try out. 

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Thanks for all the suggestions. The Gato looks stunning - it seems Elite Audio have one on eBay ex-dem so may be worth investigating. 

As with Maverick I haven’t heard a Class D amp that I have particularly enjoyed but must admit it was years ago when I had one at home to try out. 

Class D have come a long way since then.

An owner of the same amp as mine sold his £40,000 amp and kept the Nord!!

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1 minute ago, Electric Cafe said:

Class D have come a long way since then.

This.

As most know, my tastes are primarily valves and class A. Yet I have heard a few hypex-based amps that don't sound anything like the first class D stuff. I wouldn't say rule out or rule in until you've tried.

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3 minutes ago, Electric Cafe said:

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Thanks for the information. I believe that Sven regularly uses Class D amps with his speakers. His own amp design is Class D I believe. 

The Nord amps look extremely capable. Definitely worth looking into.

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23 hours ago, HouseElf said:

Thanks for all the suggestions. The Gato looks stunning - it seems Elite Audio have one on eBay ex-dem so may be worth investigating. 

As with Maverick I haven’t heard a Class D amp that I have particularly enjoyed but must admit it was years ago when I had one at home to try out. 

I bought an "Open Box" DIA 250S (without DAC) for £2k, from Elite. I haven't got on with Class D in the past - though it is paired with Harbeth.

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The class or the amplifying elements of any amplifier is a red herring and should never be quoted as a reason for not giving it an audition. I have heard some dreadful Valve amplifiers , I have also heard some that were sublime and made organ donation a consideration to afford them. I have heard some really awful solid state amplifiers that would seer your brain if you listened for more than thirty minutes. I have also heard some solid state amplifiers that sounded so good they could make a strong man (and I am not a strong man) weep .

What an amplifer is constructed of either Valve , Solid State , Class A ,B,D whatever even frankly marshmellows does not matter . What matters is does the design as a whole work , does it make music for you . I have very little experience of class D amplifiers but the same thing will apply . If the designer is good and knows the parts and there strenghts and weakneses then he will make something that will work and sound not just good but really good . Tim P made single ended valve units and solid state singled ended units and his view was they sounded identical and he could not tell the difference . The whole design is the importance not the various elements .

I think the above is also true for Boenicke speakers , they are unique in there make up and design and they are designed with a very single minded view . If your ears warm to that vision then i think there is nothing else around that would do , you would have to have a pair . If not then you will find fault and given the cost you would always be dissapointed.

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8 hours ago, jobseeker said:

Perfectly happy with Class D on Boenicke here :D

Is it Gato you are using?

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It was previously Gato, which sounded wonderful. It is now Mytek Brooklyn Amps, one per speaker in monoblock configuration. Interestingly, they also use a Pascal module, though i think it’s a different version to Gato. A natural successor in some ways. 

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