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Well I created a Premium account in TuneIn in order to Modify my favorites. I get an error message when I try to create a Custom URL pin the iOS apps with any of the Flac Streams--including the ICY versions. 

Bill did say on the Flac Forum in the RP website that TuneIn can't handle Flac streams :( 

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I followed Neil’s instructions. Downloaded the tunein app on my android phone logged in using my existing details, and successfully added the two RP flac streams as custom urls, then deleted the app to avoid the subscription.  The new streams show up on my control points.  Only minor niggle is I can’t ‘name’ the streams - they just show up as the url address.

Props to Sunbeam for discovering this simple method.  RP in flac does indeed sound good.

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9 hours ago, Mark57 said:

I followed Neil’s instructions. Downloaded the tunein app on my android phone logged in using my existing details, and successfully added the two RP flac streams as custom urls, then deleted the app to avoid the subscription.  The new streams show up on my control points.  Only minor niggle is I can’t ‘name’ the streams - they just show up as the url address.

Props to Sunbeam for discovering this simple method.  RP in flac does indeed sound good.

:)

probably worth using forum names otherwise readers won't know which instructions you're referring to.

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Hmmm.... maybe it's different on iOS devices. I still get "ERROR. We're sorry. An error occurred with this stream. Please try again later." 

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It’s still a bit flakey for me at the moment.  I’ve added the flac feeds into my TuneIn account as custom URL’s.  Problems seem to be occurring normally in the afternoons.  I’ve currently lost the track data on all the streams.  Yesterday, there was track skipping and cut outs.  

Edit 26 May.  New metadata enabled FLAC streams have been launched (flacm) but they don't appear to be working yet

I’m sure it will eventually get sorted out, but in the interim, it’s not reliable.

Edit 29 May.  I've been in contact with Tune In.  There is a problem of which they are aware and it's pending a new software drop
.... "Thank you for contacting us regarding this problem. This is a known issue that our Developers are aware of. We're working to resolve the problem and hope to have it fixed in an upcoming release. I apologize for the inconvenience."

Edit 3 June.   I apologize however, our developers are still working on this issue. No update available yet. You'll be notify just in case we'll receive more information.  I hope you'll understand.

Sounds like Tech Support speak for "Don't hold your breath!"  In the interim, I'm using the Radio Paradise iPad app, quality set to ALAC and Airplayed to the DS.  You get access to all the stations, the full track metadata and large artwork.
 

Edited by Ian H
Added TuneIn correspondance.
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On 07/06/2019 at 19:56, peter@57m said:

The post above was done on an iPad which seems to add extraneous line feeds, the contents are 

#EXTM3U
#EXTINF:-1,[*RPa] Radio Paradise
http://37.130.228.60/aac-320.m3u
#EXTINF:-1,[*RPaF] Radio Paradise Flac
http://stream.radioparadise.com/flac
#EXTINF:-1,[*RPaM] Radio Paradise Mellow Flac
http://stream.radioparadise.com/mellow-flac

I have it in a file named radio.m3u which is a text file I created with notepad on a PC.  This file needs to reside in any directory that is scanned by MinimServer.

I seem to remember for radio streams to work you need to have MinimStreamer installed but not 100% on this.

radio then appears as a playlist in MinimServer.  So its not like TuneIn where you can select radio on the REM020 remote and scroll through the stations, you have to select the playlist as you would any other playlist in MinimServer.

I use IFTTT with an Amazon Echo device and have set it up so I can say Alexa trigger "dsm name" paradise, so it starts playing the flac stream standard Radio Paradise on my DSM.  Also have a trigger setup for Alexa trigger "dsm name" mellow.

I never before used a playlist, following Neil Young's statement about being an artist who is recording albums not songs ;-) [It's in his book: "Waging Heavy Peace"]

But this recipe of @peter@57m looks really tasty, so I tried to follow his lead. I created the file as explained above, put it in a folder, added the folder to the Minimserver properties and rescanned the index. But there appears no playlist in the Kazoo app. The Minimserver log does not give any clue.

Any ideas?

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What do you see at the top level of MinimServer? You say you rescan’d MinimServer, did you also restart Kazoo?

Do you see the Playlist folder?   Any entries at all?

PS the references to IFTTT in my original post are now obsolete as Linn have now ceased supporting IFTTT

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Hi @peter@57m,

thx for your feedback. When I look at the top menu in Kazoo, it looks different to yours, i.e. there is no playlists entry. Thus, I'd assume that the problem is a missing index tag for playlists or something? I tried to find out how minimserver handles its index files (by trial and error). I did find a folder 'data' which contains 'MCACHE-data' type files, 2 as per folder in the minimserver content dir properties.

When I open either of the respective MCACHE folders (which I'd expect to contain my radio.m3u playlist stuff somehow) in the editor is says:

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It looks to me like these are the index tags, which have been configured in the minimserver properties. An appropriate index tag (lack thereof) might be the missing link here?

Did you configure any specific property to advise the indexer to read the m3u data?

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5 hours ago, TooManyCatweazles said:

Did you configure any specific property to advise the indexer to read the m3u data?

MinimServer does this automatically. For this to happen (1) the folder containing the playlist(s) must be, or be in, a MinimServer content Directory and (2) the .m3u playlist has to be in the correct format - plain text laid out as described in the MinimServer help file (make sure that whatever text editor you are using doesn't save as .rtf, .doc or whatever), to help you with the layout, here is my own Radio stations.m3u file, which has a Radio Paradise entry:

#EXTM3U
#EXTINF:-1,[*R1] BBC Radio 1
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_one.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*R1X] BBC Radio 1Xtra
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_1xtra.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*R2] BBC Radio 2
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_two.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*R3] BBC Radio 3
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_three.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[R3DASH;aac] BBC Radio 3 DASH
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/dash/uk/dash_full/llnw/bbc_radio_three.mpd
#EXTINF:-1,[R3FLAC;flac] BBC Radio 3 FLAC
http://vs-dash-ww-rd-live.bbcfmt.hs.llnwd.net/al/lossless/client_manifest.mpd
#EXTINF:-1,[R3BIN;aac] BBC Radio 3 binaural
http://vs-dash-ww-rd-live.bbcfmt.hs.llnwd.net/al/proms/client_manifest.mpd
#EXTINF:-1,[*R4] BBC Radio 4 FM
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_fourfm.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*R4X] BBC Radio 4 Extra
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_four_extra.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*R4L] BBC Radio 4 LW
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_fourlw.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*R5] BBC Radio 5 Live
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_five_live.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*R6] BBC Radio 6 Music
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_6music.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*AN] BBC Asian Network
http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_asian_network.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*WS] BBC World Service
http://bbcwsen-lh.akamaihd.net/i/WSEIEUK_1@189911/master.m3u8
#EXTINF:-1,[*Linn] Linn Radio Classical
http://radio.linnrecords.com/cast/tunein.php/linnclassical/playlist.pls
#EXTINF:-1,[*WCRB] WCRB Classical
http://audio.wgbh.org:8004
#EXTINF:-1,[*Paradise] Radio Paradise
http://icy-4.radioparadise.com/flac

Because the forum has made the links 'live', you can actually test them from here. however, if you want to use any of my file you need to copy and paste it as plain text into your own text .m3u file.

Beyond that, remember that Kazoo is simply the dumb recipient of a menu structure generated by MinimServer, so you need to be working not  with Kazoo, but with the MinimServer properties, accessed via MinimWatch (right click on the green tray icon). Are you getting any error messages in the MinimServer log, indicating that your playlist file is not being indexed properly? And have you installed the MinimStreamer plugin, as well as FFMPEG (if not already present on your NAS) and made sure that the stream.converter property is appropriately set?

David

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That was a useful hint, and I'm one step further - but not there. I had used Windows Edit and it added a .txt to the filename. After removing it I can see the radio playlist now. But it still appears to lack contents. Have downloaded notepad ++ to inspect the radio.m3u file, it looks ok.

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1 hour ago, TooManyCatweazles said:

That was a useful hint, and I'm one step further - but not there. I had used Windows Edit and it added a .txt to the filename. After removing it I can see the radio playlist now. But it still appears to lack contents. Have downloaded notepad ++ to inspect the radio.m3u file, it looks ok.

Have you (1) done a MinimServer rescan and then (2) looked at the MinimServer log to see if there are any error messages? If MinimServer is seeing the playlist (as it must be), but not populating the index with the entries, the first thought is that there is something wrong with the contents.

David

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Posted (edited)

You nailed it @DavidHB

I went back from scratch and created the radio.m3u file using notepad++

The playlist is visible now, but still empty. And this is what the log says:

Error: playlist radio.m3u: MinimStreamer is required for stream ID 'RPa'
Error: playlist radio.m3u: MinimStreamer is required for stream ID 'RPaF'
Error: playlist radio.m3u: MinimStreamer is required for stream ID 'RPaM'

So what is MinimStreamer?

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Eureka! I found MinimStreamer in the Minimserver Properties on the Packages tab, and just had to install it.

Now it works!!! Thx everybody for the great assistance. Much appreciated!

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