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I think what I’m trying to say is that actions of others are putting us all at risk. 

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Wow, did't know they have Iceland inside... "You can now purchase your favourite Iceland products in more than 30 of The Range Stores" so now it's perfectly justified to keep all 180 Range stores open. 

the Range boss must be an angel

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Ah, I see where you're going with this. I go out for a 2-mile walk and the return point happens to be where an amplfier I've just bought will be available.

That seems fair enough, actually!

"Hello, hello, hello: what have we here then?"

"I've been out for my one form of exercise today officer, a walk from my home"

"Is that no an unnecssary purchase I see under your arm?"

"Ah this! This, officer, is part of my fitness routine. I walk out using only my bodyweight but on the return journey I adopt progressive resistance principles by increasing the weight I carry. If you don't believe me, please come to my home where I will show you the seven pieces of hifi equipment I have collected this week"

I'm glad you agree it's fair enough.

There are no restrictions I'm aware of on which route you take as long as you self isolate and if there's no increase in risk to anyone in using a particular route then there can be no moral argument against taking the route where (in the case I'm thinking of) someone has left an RCA cable outside their house, and picking it up while you're there.

Unless the new guidance is that in no circumstances must you take a route that offers you any advantages other than basic exercise. So for example you must not take a route that has a view you would otherwise enjoy in normal circumstances. Or one that passes the house of a friend you can wave hello to. Or a host of other examples where you pick the route for something other than pure exercise. In fact we should only be allowed to walk in circles around our front room for an hour, anything else would risk the individual gaining some utility from their journey other than exercise.. I don't know why we're allowed out of our houses at all except to get food and medicine.

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28 minutes ago, Lawrence001 said:

I'm glad you agree it's fair enough.

There are no restrictions I'm aware of on which route you take as long as you self isolate and if there's no increase in risk to anyone in using a particular route then there can be no moral argument against taking the route where (in the case I'm thinking of) someone has left an RCA cable outside their house, and picking it up while you're there.

Unless the new guidance is that in no circumstances must you take a route that offers you any advantages other than basic exercise. So for example you must not take a route that has a view you would otherwise enjoy in normal circumstances. Or one that passes the house of a friend you can wave hello to. Or a host of other examples where you pick the route for something other than pure exercise. In fact we should only be allowed to walk in circles around our front room for an hour, anything else would risk the individual gaining some utility from their journey other than exercise.. I don't know why we're allowed out of our houses at all except to get food and medicine.

What's the odds of that rca cable being within walking distance of your house? Perhaps in the case you're thinking of, but come on it's pretty unlikely in the instance of someone selling an item on here, possible yes, yet very unlikely.

I have to be honest I'm really not arsed about all this myself, but at the same time would say some of the responses to those who have made perfectly reasonable suggestions about this seem a. very defensive and b. rather creative with their interpretation of guidelines.

Still, fill your boots. ✌️✌️✌️

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A little positive news, I’ve been thinking of upgrading my CD player. Recent events means I haven’t so I’ve just listened to it. It’s an old Rotel RCD951 and it is brilliant. Knocks the spots of any player I’ve tried. Strange times. Be safe. Be happy. Service will be restored to normal as soon as we know what normal is anyway.

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What's the odds of that rca cable being within walking distance of your house? Perhaps in the case you're thinking of, but come on it's pretty unlikely in the instance of someone selling an item on here, possible yes, yet very unlikely. I have to be honest I'm really not arsed about all this myself, but at the same time would say some of the responses to those who have made perfectly reasonable suggestions about this seem a. very defensive and b. rather creative with their interpretation of guidelines. Still, fill your boots.

Well as it happens there is one on AoS I fancy with WBT locking plugs. I just checked and it's 2.5 miles according to Google maps. I'm not just making it up to be an arse I'm talking about an actual discussion I'm having by PM. In the meanwhile I'm trying to keep going with a sensible, practical and safe approach to the lockdown that doesn't put anyone else at risk.

Bear in mind I turned down an amp in South London I really wanted in order to keep to the Govt's rules.

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Coincidentally I just saw this in the news, the Labour MP Stephen Kinnock took some essential supplies to his elderly parents and had the temerity to stay a few minutes longer than required (at a safe distance) MERELY BECAUSE IT WAS HIS DAD'S BIRTHDAY. The rules say nothing about being allowed to sing happy birthday to your parents at the moment while making a permitted journey, so he is clearly in breach of them, as later pointed out by the police.

https://mobile.twitter.com/swpolice/status/1244224030644883456

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Sent a parcel by parcelforce this morning, picked up at the door and organised online. Within current guidelines. I minimise risk and follow guidelines, changing as it changes.

Seems sensible, having now read this thread am off to clean my terminals.

Being sensible helps to minimise risks.

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I love this site, but like all specialist web pages there are always a couple of Dell Boy types, no income tax, no vat, no money back, no guarantee etc  that seem to almost live here snapping up the bargains and selling on later, as I do likewise with rare old spirits I am not complaining, but the longer this goes on with blatant encouragement to break the law the more it reads like `Dell boy still open for business` and not a discussion thread at all.  

The law is dead simple at the moment , you can`t do it person to person, yeah I know there are loopholes, what if I live next door etc, but you can buy and sell via courier.

The idea that you might still want to buy something and collect later  on the off chance that this ends anytime soon and both the buyer and seller get through unscathed and don`t therefore leave an almighty mess reminds me of the people standing on the front of the Titanic taking photos of the pretty iceberg.

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Hi.....I am quite confused by all that is going on, however I do understand that this is a hifi related site and it is inevitable the discussion will arise about its place amidst covid 19.

If the website does want to pull buying and selling or anything that might involve human contact then.     1.  All ads can be removed by moderators.  Or  2.  Make it easier to delete ads ?  How do you do this.... or is it best to just mark a tab as "withdrawn" ?

I have an ad at the moment and have read the recent announcement reg. trading and the virus.

My own opinions don't really matter and indeed there will be many different opinions.     Unless hifiwigwam says what call is the definitive one here....then it could just end up like an old cable debate or a Rangers/Celtic footy discussion ?

Let's make a call and stick to it.   Keep safe...but most of all be kind and keep a level head.  Onwards !

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The government has not prohibited the offer for sale of any goods by post based on any risk assessment suggesting that this WOULD increase the spread of this virus....they haven't even suggested it might spread it.  Whilst I agree that collections/meet ups are against the current 'laws' the use of official couriers HAS NOT been suspended.

Also note that some members on here have openly posted about going to collect items whilst this lockdown is in place and I do not recall any comments on this by a Mod.

Fir some on here also bear in mind it is a way to obtain some money when they currently might not have any income ☹️

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I think either close the sales page or allow Wammers to sell only via courier which is still totally allowed (and in fact supports courier business). This does not require a visit to a post office as a courier will collect from your home. There is no statement from the UK Gov to say sending parcels or mail can cause a spread of Covid19.  If this causes a problem for the Mods having to constantly police the sales threads then just simpler to close it until a time when allowed. I think both buyer and seller can also police their own threads and I also agree for some people this may be a way to supplement their income. If Gov rules change on mail then of course none of us should be couriering Hifi equipment. 

Cheers

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Hi Mf100...I am sorry if I got things wrong.    I have just read the post by Bazzer (at the top)  and assumed because it was in italics and you couldn't reply that it was official ?

I also have an ad and rather than get anyones back up thought of removing it ?    Cheers. M.

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This is all being discussed people. We're all a bit in limbo, as guidelines aren't 100% clear about couriers. However, the line that is there is pretty concrete: Only go out for food, health reasons or work. Do not meet others, even friends or family.

That effectively excludes even taking things to the Post Office.

Of course it's all pretty simple really. It's a potentially extremely dangerous viral infection for a proportion of the people who catch it. Therefore, unless what you're doing is essential, why risk it? It's not you catching it, it's the fact that if you catch it through doing something unnecessary and end up in intensive care, you'll be using a bed that someone else could need.

Plus, as my son-in-law is currently a doctor and has given up his cosy practice work to go on the front line in a hospital, if he catches it from one of you lot, if the Covid doesn't get you, I bloody well will afterwards.

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