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what is it with musicians and hifi

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On 25/10/2020 at 06:34, mr neds said:

I’m a musician, but my wife isn’t. She will ignore the kitchen stereo and listen to radio 4 on her phone speaker, which to me sounds like a quacking duck, even if it is an iPhone 😕

My area had a power outage last week which persisted far longer than it should have lasted given the circumstances.  Anyway, as it was getting dark outside, I decided I needed some sort of entertainment.  I decided to listen to the FM radio on my smartphone.  There was no way I was going to use the London built-in speaker because that's nothing but THD.  :?  Besides, the radio on the phone needs something plugged into the headphone port to act as an antenna.  Headphones would have been the best option, of course, but I just got out of the shower not too long before and I'm prone to excessive earwax buildup if I cover my ears with something too soon after leaving the shower.  Thus, the only solution I had was to plug in an old pair of very cheap passive computer speakers.  Yes, unamplified computer speakers!

I was expecting the combination of the passive speakers, FM radio via the phone's tuner, and the phone's headphone output to sound like complete London.  Certainly the output level was quite low even with the phone's volume turned all the way up.  It was loud enough though.  To my surprise, the audio quality on this extremely Lo-Fi setup was sufficient enough to allow me to enjoy a long listening session.  Those tiny speakers with cables that look like dental floss weren't as bad as I thought.  They produced some bass and did so cleanly even with the very cheap plastic cabinets.  That was pretty shocking, but I'm sure the low volume helped in that regard.  Unlike some cheap computer speakers I've heard, these speakers didn't sizzle the highs in a way which makes listening to the speakers fatiguing after a period of time.  I probably listened for 1.5-2 hours before the power came back on and it was completely pleasant during that time.  The sound quality was even good enough to lead to me to dance a little in the darkness.  :D

So, yes, I can see why people, musicians or otherwise, are okay with Bluetooth speakers, sound bars, and other things like that which probably would sound a lot better than that setup I was using with the passive computer speakers.  Naturally, such low-fi setups present compromises, but the compromises are not such to prevent people from enjoying music.

On 25/10/2020 at 07:09, Le Baron said:

Oh...a revived topic. I must confess I'm not really so bothered about high-end hi-fi equipment these days. The best I had was an old Bang & Olufsen system I bought second-hand, long gone. Right now I have a Marantz TT170 running through a rather middling Sansui amp. This is just to enable me to play vinyl when I want to and shuts away in a cabinet (repurposed sewing machine cabinet). I can almost hear folk vomiting.

Well, if you can hear the vomiting in detail over your stereo, your equipment must be pretty good.  ;)  Maybe if you upgrade your USB cables, you can not just hear the vomiting, but you can hear the disgust in the minds of audiophiles about such a perfectly acceptable system.  :P

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1 hour ago, uzzy said:

I used to do that - it never ceased to amaze me how the pitch of drums changed according to the venue .. what sounded tight and higher pitched in one place would sound less precise and lower pitched in another.  You had to do that with the bass drum especially (as with my Yamaha 8000 kit you could hardly hear the bass drum behind the kit but out front it was killing them punching them in the stomach) ... then there were the big venues when they would mic the drums up (and the instruments and put all through the PA) and the tuning required was different again.

Which reminds me I really ought to clean it all up and get em sold now that I no longer play - it is criminal to have the kit and my Paiste 2002 sound edge high hats - Zildjian and other cymbals sitting in the garage doing nowt now .. 

Very cool, I completely agree. I have two 8000 bass drums (20x14 & 22x16) great drums. What sizes is your kit ? I've been on the lookout for 8000 series drums for ages.

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2 hours ago, michaelgb said:

Very cool, I completely agree. I have two 8000 bass drums (20x14 & 22x16) great drums. What sizes is your kit ? I've been on the lookout for 8000 series drums for ages.

24 x 14 inch Bass Drum. 16x16 floor tom, 13 x 10 and 14 x 10 hanging toms -  Yamaha 5000 snare (I sold the 8000 i preferred my old one) all cased .. Perarl High Hat pedal - selection of speaker stands - also have a pearl fixed (closed) hihat stand to hang from the cymbal stands.   Colour tobacco sunburst (dark on the outside fading to an almost gold middle on each drum) .. pearl double chain bass drum pedal and my favourite drum pedal by Trak - 
Cymbals left  15" paiste 2002 sound edge hi hats, 16 inch Zyldjan, 16 inch Vibra hand hammered thin crash, Sabian AAX 12" crash and my favourite ride cymbal an old Pearl 900 series 20 inch heavy ride - nicest sweetest ping sound to my ears .. also have a spare Dixon Snare in a case (easier to swap drums than change drum heads if you broke it on a gig - also have spare hihat pedal too (risk averse lol) and three boom cymbal stands ... 

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Drummers aren't musicians they just hit stuff , before I get pelters only kidding I have known and played with loads of drummers (all mad , absolutely crackers) 😁

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Apparently Noel Gallagher got some ATC 100 actives quite recently, so he’s got that going for him...

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2 hours ago, Griff500 said:

Apparently Noel Gallagher got some ATC 100 actives quite recently, so he’s got that going for him...

Or a reason not to get the ATCs B|

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On 26/10/2020 at 17:47, uzzy said:

24 x 14 inch Bass Drum. 16x16 floor tom, 13 x 10 and 14 x 10 hanging toms -  Yamaha 5000 snare (I sold the 8000 i preferred my old one) all cased .. Perarl High Hat pedal - selection of speaker stands - also have a pearl fixed (closed) hihat stand to hang from the cymbal stands.   Colour tobacco sunburst (dark on the outside fading to an almost gold middle on each drum) .. pearl double chain bass drum pedal and my favourite drum pedal by Trak - 
Cymbals left  15" paiste 2002 sound edge hi hats, 16 inch Zyldjan, 16 inch Vibra hand hammered thin crash, Sabian AAX 12" crash and my favourite ride cymbal an old Pearl 900 series 20 inch heavy ride - nicest sweetest ping sound to my ears .. also have a spare Dixon Snare in a case (easier to swap drums than change drum heads if you broke it on a gig - also have spare hihat pedal too (risk averse lol) and three boom cymbal stands ... 

Have you ever tried Wuhan cymbals? Apparently Hubei Province's most successful export, until recently.... :minikev:

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Most of the (proper) musicians I know are completely indifferent to HiFi. 

A couple of exceptions

My wife (a classically trained soprano) , whilst she would listen to our echo plus, or ear buds on her phone perfectly happily, is enraptured by my system, particularly the 63's and very discerning of system changes

James Sedge, drummer - has been a real surprise.  Vinyl and HiFi big time record listener.  I think he has Rega and Naim.  James runs a music school in Tonbridge with his partner Julie.  Plays all styles, as a session musician and in bands (Tomas Doncker, Matt Berry, Dave Migden, The Deep State)

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28 minutes ago, Nifkin said:

Have you ever tried Wuhan cymbals? Apparently Hubei Province's most successful export, until recently

tried Istanbul, Ufip and many others - never stuck on one brand it was all about the sound the pitch etc etc .. just like your drums you want to be able to play a lovely cadence at times - nowt worse than when the pitch of a cymbal clashes with another.   When I was playing I wish I could have found a 22" Pearl CX 900 series heavy ride .. (they are copies of paiste but of course sound different .. for any drummer on a budget if they can find em second hand they are cheap as chips but with sounds right up with the big boys.

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There are a few musicians in my family; I’m not one of them! 

On one side, my cousin performs, writes and broadcasts when he’s not teaching music. He’s a Danish and Soviet composer specialist and was trained by a Russian pianist with a lineage to Liszt.  He’s not much interested in Hifi though has a reasonable system for reviewing.  

On the other side my uncle was a drummer in a rock n roll revival band, who toured the USA with David Bowie and played with the likes of Chuck Berry in a long career.  Now with hearing aids he seldom listens, though he still jams with his brother on guitar at family parties. 

In the early 1900’s my great, great uncle was a professional clarinettist, who trained in Paris and moved to London, from his birthplace in Spain.  He helped found the LSO with Henry Wood (of Prom concert fame and before he was knighted), and was their first principal clarinet.  He died years before I was born, but I suspect he didn’t have much experience with records!

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3 hours ago, michaelgb said:

All Noel Gallagher songs sound the same.

When I was resolutely not an Oasis fan I went to a Paul Weller gig and Noel Gallagher came on stage with a beer and an acoustic guitar to do some songs on his own. Talented fella.

And I'm going to say he has excellent taste in speakers. xD

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9 minutes ago, Griff500 said:

Noel Gallagher came on stage with a beer and an acoustic guitar to do some songs on his own. Talented fella.

Seen vids of this , very good. I think NG is alright, it's his loutish brother I'm not so sure about.

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musician, n. Someone who puts 5 grand's worth of musical gear into a 500 quid car to drive 150 miles for a 50 quid gig.

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