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Linn is now partner with clearaudio for Majik LP12

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A newer Majik  LP12 sounds more attractive than ever !  Should I replace my EKOS with this new Clearaudio arm ? 

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Following the recent Majik DSM transformation, analogue companion Majik LP12 will receive its 2nd performance boost this year. Following Karousel, the deck will be updated with a brand new tonearm, developed in partnership with Clearaudio, from late November. #sondekLP12

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2 minutes ago, kl122002 said:

Should I replace my EKOS with this new Clearaudio arm? 

No. 

Listen first. As initial deliveries will not be until the latter part of next month, you have a while to wait. And there's a good chance that the performance of your Ekos will still be closer to that of the current top of the range Ekos SE/1 than that of the new Krane arm. 

David 

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Definitely not!  Linn will probably claim the new Majik arm is better than the Ekos (just as they did with the original Akito being better than an Ittok) to boost sales.  As David says, the current Ekos SE is a refined Ekos (which, in turn is a refined Ittok)!  

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16 hours ago, sktn77a said:

Definitely not!  Linn will probably claim the new Majik arm is better than the Ekos (just as they did with the original Akito being better than an Ittok) to boost sales.  As David says, the current Ekos SE is a refined Ekos (which, in turn is a refined Ittok)!  

Interesting.  I had an original mk1 Akito in the late 80s, built abroad if memory serves me right, and it was decidedly "average". Got rid of it quite quickly.

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An interesting comparison could be Akito 3b vs. Krane 

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There is no way any Akito out-performs any Ittok. What UTTER fantasy!

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17 hours ago, sktn77a said:

Definitely not!  Linn will probably claim the new Majik arm is better than the Ekos (just as they did with the original Akito being better than an Ittok) to boost sales.  As David says, the current Ekos SE is a refined Ekos (which, in turn is a refined Ittok)!  

I sincerely hope they don't do that, unless it can be proven by a proper tunedem!

But I would not expect that the Krane had a chance vs an Ekos, unless the latter is broken. Our knowledge on  basic geometry did not improve that much over the last decades, and mechanical engineering did not get cheaper either. Just comparing the retail prices, it is not plausible that anyone could build an arm on Ekos level with the Krane budget. And I'm shy to assume, that Clearaudio would sponsor Linn's business in order to get the price down. 🤔

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18 hours ago, sktn77a said:

Definitely not!  Linn will probably claim the new Majik arm is better than the Ekos (just as they did with the original Akito being better than an Ittok) to boost sales.  As David says, the current Ekos SE is a refined Ekos (which, in turn is a refined Ittok)!  

I never heard of Linn claiming the original Akito was better than an Ittok.  Since the Akito was being sold at the same time as an Ittok LVIII (and possibly the LVII as well but my orice lists don't go back that far) and sold for less than a third the price of the Ittok that wuold not be a smart thing to claim.  The Akito was built in Japan as a replacement for the Basik Plus arm and was priced accordingly.  The only Akito that even holds a chance vs. and Ittok LVII is an Akito 3 IMHO.  

I would expect that Linn will claim that the Akito 3 is still superior to the Krane, which means that any properly working Ekos will still easily be better than both.

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2 hours ago, ThomasOK said:

I would expect that Linn will claim that the Akito 3 is still superior to the Krane, which means that any properly working Ekos will still easily be better than both.

Given Linn's wish to maintain its different product levels, I would expect that too. Which, given the pricing of the parent clearaudio arm, will create an interesting situation. Are Linn going to undercut clearaudio on the pricing a product sourced from them? How inferior (in Tunedem testing) to the Akito can the Krane be, or indeed afford to be? Will Linn resolve any inconsistencies by increasing the price of the Akito? I could be wrong, but I don't see this element of the product range settling down very easily.

David

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When Linn had their own operation in Florida (many moons ago,  post-Audiophile Systems and pre-  well....  nobody!), I actually called them and their LP12 "specialist" told me this.  That sounded pretty official to me!  I didn't believe him for a moment but wanted to confirm the official position on what a dealer had tried to tell (sell?) me!

I kept my Ittok for several more years before upgrading to an Ekos.

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The Krane is indeed based on the Satisfy, as Linn has stated in some of the materials.  It has a different mounting collar to Linn's specs, will come with a Linn arm cable and might have removed the azimuth adjustment for a more solid attachment of the headshell to the arm tube, although we don't know that yet.  From the photos it looks to me like the counterweight may be a bit bigger and they may have shortened the counterweight stub to clear the dustcover, but that is just conjecture.

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