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So far I was told most that Thorens  TD 1600 has achieved a very excellent speed control and with supreme music reproduction , meanwhile I have experienced Rega's RP10 and it is also excellent too that no one should not be missed.  Actually there are competitions between the some famous turntable makers like Rega, Linn, Clearaudio, and even Thorens. Real hard to tell which one is "more advanced" as they all are having different style.
All I want to say is as long as you have found the one that fits you most then it would be a perfect turntable  . 
 

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23 hours ago, kl122002 said:

This LP12 is just like my one of my hobbies. Atm I am actually building a gaming PC with AMD chipsets and so thats why my LP12 project has remain untouched for a week.  I can't deny that looking for a display card or motherboard today are much difficult than 5 years ago....xD 
 

You'll be spamming f5 with me at 2 o'clock today then will you?

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6 hours ago, HIGHWAY61 said:

The counter argument from outside the "Linn Community" concerning an LP12 is however : (1) They are very expensive to buy new/used/EBAY, there is a "pre-owned" LP12 on EBAY at present @ £15,100 + Postage ! (2) You are then advised that its a good idea to have it "set-up" by a dealer. (3) Its suggested that its more delicate than a nuclear bomb and great care has to be taken to even get it home in your car, that probably why I have seen LINN LP12 boxes/original packaging on sale for up to £80.00 each on EBAY. For these reasons I never entered the LP12 rabbit hole. I was a Rega Planar 3 convert early on and even though the "music reproduction" was 95%to 99% of an LP12 it was easy to set up, bullit-proof and 25% of the cost.

DavidHB did a really good job on this but I decided to hit it from a slightly different angle.

1) If you believe the prices you see things "going for" (which to me means listed for) you don't know much about eBay.  Since eBay hasn't charged for listings for several years it costs nothing to list something on there so people can put any price on it they want.  Same for Audiogon except is costs you $4.00.  An example is the Apple Think Different watch which you can currently find at listed at prices ranging from $200 to $2200US!  All those listed except for the $200 one are $425 or higher.  This was a $40 watch when it was new.  But if you check the Sold listings you will find that a new one sold for $675 and two used ones went for $170 and $225.  There are examples of this kind of ridiculous, wishful pricing all over eBay.  On Audiogon there is a used Hi-Fi dealer right now who thinks he can sell a Keltik system with 4 Klouts, a Wakonda, a Pekin and a rack for $16,999.  Never mind that it took us a year to sell Keltiks and four Klouts for $4500 and we're a Linn dealer.  Likely so much for the £15K LP12.

2)  Have you ever bought a car that wasn't prepped by the dealer?  Every turntable of any quality, including a Rega Planar 1 should be setup by a dealer if you want the best from it.

3)  "It is suggested that" COVID-19 is a hoax, that it would go away last spring and that we have turned the corner in the US just recently.  And this from the outgoing president of the US.  Don't believe everything you read or hear.  A properly setup LP12 is quite solid with perfromance that is consistent over a long period of time except for stylus wear.  Boxes and packing for an LP12 run $100 from Linn so £80 sounds about right.  This is because when you take it home on a car seat it gets a fairly comfortable ride as long as you keep it out of the ditch.  Once you hand it to UPS/FedEx you can expect them to treat it like a basketball while throwing it from one truck to another (Gee Dave, I wonder how high this will bounce?).  Therefore the packing needs to separate the pieces so they don't hit each other and keep them all safe.  Hence the $100 box and packing.

The world in which the Rega Planar 3 is 95 to 99% of an LP12 in musical perfromance would have to be the world in which a $50 Crosley record player with an artificial ruby needle on a plastic cantilever tracking at about 10 grams and destroying every record you play on it is rated at 85%.  As fine as a Rega Planar 3 definitely is, and I have sold and worked on hundreds if not thousands, the musical gap between it and any properly functioning LP12 is really pretty vast, IMO.

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@ThomasOK,

Correcting misinformation on this forum, or on any hifi forum is a full time job. Remember, Linn shut down the old forum due to misinformation. Dealing with it would have taken too much staff time. However, I appreciate your effort here. But it does get rather tiresome after a while. I've gotten to where if someone makes an unsupported claim, I simply ignore it. I think that all of us should do just that. That way, knowledgeable people like Thomas won't have to spend so much time and energy setting the record straight. But then without unsupported claims, would it even be a hifi forum? It seems to go with the territory.

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4 hours ago, ThomasOK said:

DavidHB did a really good job on this but I decided to hit it from a slightly different angle.

1) If you believe the prices you see things "going for" (which to me means listed for) you don't know much about eBay.  Since eBay hasn't charged for listings for several years it costs nothing to list something on there so people can put any price on it they want.  Same for Audiogon except is costs you $4.00.  An example is the Apple Think Different watch which you can currently find at listed at prices ranging from $200 to $2200US!  All those listed except for the $200 one are $425 or higher.  This was a $40 watch when it was new.  But if you check the Sold listings you will find that a new one sold for $675 and two used ones went for $170 and $225.  There are examples of this kind of ridiculous, wishful pricing all over eBay.  On Audiogon there is a used Hi-Fi dealer right now who thinks he can sell a Keltik system with 4 Klouts, a Wakonda, a Pekin and a rack for $16,999.  Never mind that it took us a year to sell Keltiks and four Klouts for $4500 and we're a Linn dealer.  Likely so much for the £15K LP12.

2)  Have you ever bought a car that wasn't prepped by the dealer?  Every turntable of any quality, including a Rega Planar 1 should be setup by a dealer if you want the best from it.

3)  "It is suggested that" COVID-19 is a hoax, that it would go away last spring and that we have turned the corner in the US just recently.  And this from the outgoing president of the US.  Don't believe everything you read or hear.  A properly setup LP12 is quite solid with perfromance that is consistent over a long period of time except for stylus wear.  Boxes and packing for an LP12 run $100 from Linn so £80 sounds about right.  This is because when you take it home on a car seat it gets a fairly comfortable ride as long as you keep it out of the ditch.  Once you hand it to UPS/FedEx you can expect them to treat it like a basketball while throwing it from one truck to another (Gee Dave, I wonder how high this will bounce?).  Therefore the packing needs to separate the pieces so they don't hit each other and keep them all safe.  Hence the $100 box and packing.

The world in which the Rega Planar 3 is 95 to 99% of an LP12 in musical perfromance would have to be the world in which a $50 Crosley record player with an artificial ruby needle on a plastic cantilever tracking at about 10 grams and destroying every record you play on it is rated at 85%.  As fine as a Rega Planar 3 definitely is, and I have sold and worked on hundreds if not thousands, the musical gap between it and any properly functioning LP12 is really pretty vast, IMO.

Very, very well said.  

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On 18/11/2020 at 09:52, HIGHWAY61 said:

They are very expensive to buy new/used/EBAY, there is a "pre-owned" LP12 on EBAY at present @ £15,100 + Postage !

22 hours ago, DavidHB said:

The full new price of a Klimax LP12 is £18,870 in the UK. The currently listed Majik LP12 price is £3,450 (though I don't know whether that covers the impending release of the Krane arm). That's a massive difference, clearly illustrating that the Ebay price you quoted does not tell the whole story.

The LP12 mentioned is a Klimax spec pre-Karousel ex-display model. Now at £14999 which given the price of a new one doesn't sound bad value. With the difference you could buy a brand new Majik LP12 and have a nice cottage for a week in Yorkshire!

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37 minutes ago, Carrington said:

The LP12 mentioned is a Klimax spec pre-Karousel ex-display model. Now at £14999 which given the price of a new one doesn't sound bad value. With the difference you could buy a brand new Majik LP12 and have a nice cottage for a week in Yorkshire!

All very true. And yet further indication that quoting the original Ebay price gave a misleading impression of LP12 pricing in general.

David

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Yes an LP12 can be a tweekers delight.  Or not.  Depends on your perspective.  It is, almost inarguably, the opposite of a set and forget table like a Rega P2/3.  The later is essentially a piece of board to which various components are bolted.  There is a degree of precision in how and where the components are bolted, but assembly is straightforward, and setup is long lasting.  It is about as easy as it gets.  But even a P2/3 responds to tweeks !   A new inner platter, and damping of the bearing well and motor deliver significant sonic benefits.

A Linn LP12 is an assemblage of parts, with each part representing a variable.  It takes care to assemble correctly.  But once correct, the set will last a long time in situ.  Over time, adjustment will be needed as springs slowly lose tension, belts lose elasticity and cartridge suspensions can sag.  But all mechanical devices need periodic maintenance.

One can study the various guides on line, and research the topic, and watch YT videos.  One -can- set up a Linn at home.  Or one can use the services of a Linn dealer who presumably knows what to do.   If one is purchasing a LP12 from a dealer then service and setup is included in the price, or should be.    Many dealers will discount the cost of parts installation if the parts are purchased from the dealer, and that often includes a free setup and adjustment of the table.

Many of us (myself included) love the internet because it can strip unnecessary frills and costs from the purchase process.   But the more complex and expensive the item, the better the argument becomes for using a dealer or specialist.    If one is spending the cost of Tuition/Mid Level Car/House Down Payment on a TT or other component, one has to think hard about shipping, setup and repair.

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On 18/11/2020 at 10:21, HIGHWAY61 said:

Agree completely, but I am not a "fettler/fiddler" when it comes turntables. I like to buy, plug in and enjoy the music. I admire people who spend endless hours trying to squeeze that extra 5% out of their LP12 but its not for me.

I am not one who wants to take on a project or carry out much in the way of tweaks. All I do is play a record or three on the LP12 most days.  My dealer visits every few years to replenish the cartridge on my LP12 and will do any servicing necessary. I would need the same service if I had a Rega TT. Linn and Rega both make excellent TTs. 

I know DIY appeals to many and they enjoy a challenge and why not, but I’m not one of those; keeping everybody safe is challenge enough for now. I don’t see my LP12 as a project, but simply a very good record player. Unlike most TTs, it has an excellent built in phono stage and connection to my ADSM is a simple Cat 5 cable. 

I know little of eBay (never bought anything from it) but I would be dubious of prices if it is anything like the second hand music market in the Amazon market place. I have seen albums advertised for several hundred pounds when I know they are still available direct from the artist for £10 including postage. 

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On 14 November 2020 at 16:02, Mr Kandid said:

Latest revisions to the very comprehensive and thoroughly essential LP12 Setup guides are now available for free from the Cymbiosis Website https://www.cymbiosis.com/download/setting-up-your-lp12-volume-i/

Or the links I've added below every home should have one.:^
https://www.cymbiosis.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Setting-up-your-LP12-Volume-1.pdf
https://www.cymbiosis.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Setting-up-your-LP12-Volume-II.pdf
https://www.cymbiosis.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Setting-up-your-LP12-Volume-III.pdf

https://www.cymbiosis.com/download/packing-your-lp12-for-transportation-in-your-car/

These have been very helpful if not essential over the years and I've just found out that these have been revised and updated by the original author Peter Swain of Cymbiosis for your interest and convenience.

Hope these help and yes I know other dealers are available but they haven't done this.:whistle:

Thought I might update this topic with the latest guide update.

That old problem of boxing clever with you're LP12.

https://www.cymbiosis.com/download/packing-your-lp12-for-transportation-in-your-car/

Many thanks to CYMBIOSIS again.B|

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3 hours ago, Mr Kandid said:

Thought I might update this topic with the latest guide update.

That old problem of boxing clever with you're LP12.

https://www.cymbiosis.com/download/packing-your-lp12-for-transportation-in-your-car/

Many thanks to CYMBIOSIS again.B|

Hats off the Peter for such a thorough guide, although slightly tinged with the embarrassment that the manufacturer’s design and packaging is so inadequate for the task. 

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2 hours ago, HIGHWAY61 said:

Maybe great for shipping but we still have to pack the box. :whistle:

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Hang on - a REVISED LP12 setup procedure?

Does this mean that every LP12 out there now is set up wrongly??

My god, this could mean the end of civilisation as we know it. I predict riots and looting, let me tell you.

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Nopiano,

Thank you for your comments.

The design of the double skin box and internal polystyrene packaging is absolutely fine for transportation from the factory to the dealer as a kit (disassembled) without arm, inner platter and/or baseboard attached/fitted. This needs to be remembered/appreciated by the owner when transporting it for service in their car for service or upgrade at his or her Linn LP12 Specialist Retailer. Often this has not been the case as I have sadly seen, and so making owners aware of this in advance should help them avoid problems.

KR,

Peter 

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