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Here https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/10/baffling-brexit-rules-threaten-export-chaos-gove-is-warned is an interesting article, on the reality of the Brexit deal. Obviously, companies didn't have enough time to get their heads around the rules and implement them. Some UK businesses have stopped to ship to the EU, as the taxation is unclear. Does anyone gathered anything, if and how this might impact Linn's EU business?

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No. None whatsoever. Regardless of our personal feelings, the entire mess has caused massive division among people who otherwise have much in common. There is absolutely zero benefit to anyo

Please try to keep comments on-topic, by which I mean as negative as possible. 

This Remainer pointed out, pretty much everything what would happen 3 or 4 years ago, if we went for a Hard Brexit. I was called a Traitor, a Quisling, a Bedwetter, a Fear Monger and a Remoaner. I wat

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UK going to EU is easy. EU coming back to UK more difficult. For shipping to EU not much changes except commercial invoices are needed with parcel. Going the other way the EU company needs to register for and pay UK VAT on exports to the UK. Trivial for larger companies but a pain for smaller ones. Our business is pretty much unaffected as generating commercial invoices is normal and we only need to be registered for UK VAT. 

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Here is another interesting article https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/17/shock-brexit-charges-are-hurting-us-say-small-british-businesses quoting Mr. Paul of Leon Paul, a UK secialist sports good manufacturer. Apparently, the new export regulations create additional administrative costs of circa 25€ per parcel to Europe. Selling goods, of small value apears impossible under these condition, at leat, if one cannot impurse the additional cost from the buyer, due to the competitive situation. 25€ appear like a bearable reduction of the margin, when we talk about Klimax boxes. But with upgrades, like a Karousel, the situation may be difficult for Linn. Don't forget, that the EU dealer wants some margin too.If the exchange rates between GBP and EUR stay the same, I'd expect a new price list with adapted prices soon. Of course, Linn may opt for a mixed price model, and increase prices differently at the respective stages.

Should I change my name to Cassandra?

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1 hour ago, Baba Yaga said:

My dealer told me that currently Linn will not accept any devices for repair from Europe.

I've been told the same by my dealer in Belgium yesterday.

Also looking forward towards a new price list.

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Surprised surely they have to abide by their warranty 

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2 hours ago, Nrwatson said:

Surprised surely they have to abide by their warranty 

I think that the issue is more about the uncertainty of how to account for the VAT. It is really tricky to try and work out where the VAT point for 'services' lies. The agreement with regards to services is a shambles to say the least (especially  if you are a UK supplier of services). For the repair of goods it comes down to Rules of Enjoyment  ('enjoyment' being a rather inopportune choice). It's a little more clear for Business to Business  but for consumer products it is anything but. The HMRC guidance was obviously written pre Dec 24th and therefore the examples are not taken from EU. It shouldn't take long for a company such as Linn to get this unpicked  -but it is important to know where the VAT is to be paid. My guess is that it will be collected on return to the country where the newly repaired unit is to be enjoyed, but that is a guess.

If anyone suffers from insomnia - and is looking for a cure - here is the HMRC Guidance on 'Rules of Enjoyment" - you have been warned!!

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-place-of-supply-of-services-notice-741a#sec13

Ah well, only 20-30 more years of this before the penny drops!

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Embarrassed from UK

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I voted remain, but it is what it is we all just have to get on with it, being embarrassed or disgruntled or uncertain of the rules won't change anything, unfortunately.

Believe it or not Little Britain seemed to manage ok before we entered the Common Market, i'm sure we'll all survive again, chins up :)

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9 hours ago, Graham G said:

Little Britain seemed to manage ok before we entered the Common Market

That's not entirely true - "Little Britain"only had to contend with 6 other States working together - of which only two had any clout. Now it has to work out how to trade profitably with a bloc of over 600 million people (or work out how to be profitable selling to only 60 million people.

The rules will evolve, some parts will prove to be technically unworkable (to both parties) as none have been tested.

Like you, I didn't vote for this, and it is what it is - and like you I see no point in being disgruntled, or embarrassed  as it's turning out largely as predicted.

As far as I'm concerned, it's not about putting up with it - the project to return started on 1st January 2021 -  anything less is simply economic suicide.  

18 days of my new found freedom hasn't changed my mind one bit!

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1 minute ago, Dasher said:

That's not entirely true - "Little Britain"only had to contend with 6 other States working together - of which only two had any clout. Now it has to work out how to trade profitably with a bloc of over 600 million people (or work out how to be profitable selling to only 60 million people.

The rules will evolve, some parts will prove to be technically unworkable (to both parties) as none have been tested.

Like you, I didn't vote for this, and it is what it is - and like you I see no point in being disgruntled, or embarrassed  as it's turning out largely as predicted.

As far as I'm concerned, it's not about putting up with it - the project to return started on 1st January 2021 -  anything less is simply economic suicide.  

18 days of my new found freedom hasn't changed my mind one bit!

As you said 'Only 18 days.'  Hardly seems a fair and reasoned evaluation.  Eighteen years will give us a better insight into Brexit.  

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9 minutes ago, Ron Hilditch said:

 Eighteen years will give us a better insight into Brexit.

My guess is that we'll be back in the single market long before that - via EEA or something similar. Outside of the EU politically but accepting some movement of people for market access. The 'no-deal' on services is economically untenable.

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5 minutes ago, Ron Hilditch said:

As you said 'Only 18 days.'  Hardly seems a fair and reasoned evaluation.  Eighteen years will give us a better insight into Brexit.  

The fair and reasoned evaluation started years ago. As did the unfair and unreasoned evaluation.

No business waits 18 years to evaluate its strategy. It will have gone bust long ago. Yes, there will be initial instability, we all get that. But if Brexit isn't paying dividends, serious measurable dividends, in 2-3 years' time then it would be nice if the Leave voters said "ah, I see, you're right after all" rather than "are you still whinging, you sore loser?"

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1 minute ago, TheFlash said:

The fair and reasoned evaluation started years ago. As did the unfair and unreasoned evaluation.

No business waits 18 years to evaluate its strategy. It will have gone bust long ago. Yes, there will be initial instability, we all get that. But if Brexit isn't paying dividends, serious measurable dividends, in 2-3 years' time then it would be nice if the Leave voters said "ah, I see, you're right after all" rather than "are you still whinging, you sore loser?"

How is it possible you know you are right?  It's like going to a football match and after 5 seconds, saying that's it I know the result!

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