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Review Of The Next Generation Klimax DSM A/V


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3 hours ago, Fitter Stoke said:

There’d seem no valid reason for its existence then, at least at an identical price point.  Who would pay the same for a product with less functionality if there was no commensurate sonic advantage?

The reason they offer both is because audiophiles in Asian countries won't buy audio products with HDMI capability. That's why Linn brought back the KDS. 

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10 hours ago, akamatsu said:

It actually reminded me of the shift dial on a BMW. I wish my car had a dial instead of a lever.

I remember when BMW first came out with the control knob for accessing a lot of functions for their cars. I remember reading that the early versions were not very user friendly.

This past week when I had the Klimax DSM to audition for 3 days, and I only used the control knob on the top a few times. Most of the time, I used the remote or my iPad 

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it definitely did with the Klimax when I ask if Linn could have an option of turning off hdmi without having to reboot was told no one else had asked and they didn’t see the need

12 hours ago, akamatsu said:

It was @zee9 who tipped me off that HDMI degrades sound quality, and is not a hifi option. I have since found supporting evidence for this on the internet. So I can see that "purists" wouldn't want it anywhere near their systems. I would just turn it off as I do on my AEDS

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4 hours ago, Paulssurround said:

I remember when BMW first came out with the control knob for accessing a lot of functions for their cars. I remember reading that the early versions were not very user friendly.

This past week when I had the Klimax DSM to audition for 3 days, and I only used the control knob on the top a few times. Most of the time, I used the remote or my iPad 

I think I remember the Naim stuff has a gee whizz effect of the knob moving when you attenuate with the remote control. Does the same thing happen with the KDSM, or does just the light ring light up?

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Thanks for the comparison to ADSM/3 Paul, very informative since I use ADSM/3 in front of my active ATC's. Linn has clearly taken a huge leap in DAC-technology and it shows in sound quality. With that kind of leap in price, it better show though.

Just some thoughts, not about your review but few others I've read: It worries me little that in many reviews and comparisons between Katalyst Klimax vs Organik Klimax, people say that Katalyst can't even touch Organik and you get this feeling that the old Klimax DSM is completely useless now. I mean, how good has it ever been if it's suddenly so bad compared to the new one? Linn's previous flagship product should still hold its own even after new version is released. 

I also hope that the little extra brightness I've seen mentioned in few reviews goes away in time since any extra brightness usually translates to listening fatigue and unpleasant listening sessions in long run. 

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5 hours ago, Jail4CEOs2 said:

I think I remember the Naim stuff has a gee whizz effect of the knob moving when you attenuate with the remote control. Does the same thing happen with the KDSM, or does just the light ring light up?

The knob does a little light show as it powers up.

‘The centre of the knob changes colour to show you that it has an internet connection and that it is powering up. If you have no internet connection the Linn logo is lit red, then turns white when you are powered up with a connection.

2 hours ago, Patu said:

Thanks for the comparison to ADSM/3 Paul, very informative since I use ADSM/3 in front of my active ATC's. Linn has clearly taken a huge leap in DAC-technology and it shows in sound quality. With that kind of leap in price, it better show though.

Just some thoughts, not about your review but few others I've read: It worries me little that in many reviews and comparisons between Katalyst Klimax vs Organik Klimax, people say that Katalyst can't even touch Organik and you get this feeling that the old Klimax DSM is completely useless now. I mean, how good has it ever been if it's suddenly so bad compared to the new one? Linn's previous flagship product should still hold its own even after new version is released. 

I also hope that the little extra brightness I've seen mentioned in few reviews goes away in time since any extra brightness usually translates to listening fatigue and unpleasant listening sessions in long run. 

Thank you Patu 

The Katalyst Klimax is still a brilliant sounding streamer and has many very happy owners, that remain highly engaged with their system.

‘The new Klimax DSM has made a number of advances that has taken everything several levels up. There is no trace of any digital edge to the music, the music flows so smooth and effortlessly it is highly compelling. Perhaps a good analogy would be driving a Tesla Model S performance model. Most people would be astonished at the acceleration and performance of that model, with a smile that would be hard to wipe off your face.

‘But then you are offered to take the Tesla Model S Plaid for a drive around the track. The increased performance over the other Tesla Model S would be quickly forgotten as you realize this is a completely different beast, with performance that is in a completely different league. 0-60 mph hour in under 2 seconds is extremely impressive 

Regarding the initial brightness with the new out of the box Klimax DAC’s, it just needs some more burn-in time. The sound quality improved with each passing hour, and by 20 hours of burn-in was sounding excellent already with just a trace of brightness in some songs. I imagine another 20 or 50 hours would refine that even further. 

The new Klimax DSM used as a hub in my system was staggering and completely unexpected by me. I imagine the Organik DAC’s will build on that success 

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Hey @Patu, send me $1000 and I will safely dispose of any useless Klimax products you need removing.

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25 minutes ago, sunbeamgls said:

Hey @Patu, send me $1000 and I will safely dispose of any useless Klimax products you need removing.

I’m only at Akurate-level of uselesness now, hoping that maybe some day Linn will provide an upgrade to Organik. But I suspect Akurate won’t see upgrades anymore with the old casework. Selekt DSM stock model would be good bet now since it’s almost certain Linn will provide modular Organik upgrade for it in future. 

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