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3 minutes ago, Dasher said:

For the NGKDSM I think that you are possibly correct - all the indications are that it is not a subtle change - and will be nice to know what is possible. For the hub I'm not so sure - and I also find it visually unattractive (when paired with other boxes) - as a single box in a 350a exact system, in the right setting, it probably looks great!

The looks of it will always be down to personal choice. Having seen one “in the flesh” I’m warming to it - the quality is undeniable - and, dare I say it, the 2016 Klimax DSM on the shelf beneath it started to look a little dull after a while. With the Hub, although it doesn’t house the DAC, it still benefits from the new case, improved ADC, extra input options, optical Ethernet WiFi , Bluetooth etc. Even if you don’t use any of the new features and only stream and/or have a Urika II plugged in, it still benefits from a much a better clocking mechanism which improves all connected Exakt devices. I did the DAC comparison, but not the Hub one, but anecdotally, from the same dealer, the Hub contributes a very significant portion of the improvement, probably a lot more than the 20:80 suggested elsewhere. Interestingly, the Hub and 350 Organik upgrade package is considerably ‘cheaper’ than the NGKDSM (£25.8k vs £30k) although the the trade-in values of KDSMs vs KHubs come some way of levelling this out.

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5 minutes ago, Dasher said:

I will get to hear one at some point - and I suspect that it is like hearing a Kandid for the first time and going home to the 'non Kandid' LP12

Bigger than that. IMHO.:S

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I have just listened to the  Saint-Saens Organ Symphony (Louis Fremaux CBSO) through a borrowed Klimax Hub into my 242s active with Exactbox and Akurate amps. I'll surpress the gush - but wow!  I've known this music, and this version since my first piece of "hi-fi", but the Klimax produced something of an epiphany. (Okay, I gushed.)

This is a serious bit of kit indeed, to my ears.   It will feed active Akurariks when built and delivered (four week wait, I'm told.) Not sure what to expect from the Akubariks - more of the same but with a little more focus and detail prerhaps(?)

Once again, great service from Hidden Systems (and Neil's set-up skills and advice.)  Best wishes to Chris Fuller, who will hopefully soon be parking his super motorbike on my drive to tweak my Space Optimisation with his magic touch.

Vic.

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There will always be a better system somewhere out there, until we go to a live event and happen to be part of the real thing. Top hifi systems are getting closer, but the one that's more realistic than reality will never arrive. 

More pragmatic people (like she who owns the house) may turn away from hifi, and strive for the real thing - happily listening to the car radio, elsewise. (Unfair: The radio in her 14 yrs old BMW is much more musical than the audio in my car!)

I for one accept, that there is bigger & better sound, than my system can render. It's a great hobby to study this, and to sometimes shell out some money to do an incremental step forward with one's own system. Is a better system a good reason to be unhappy with one's own system? Not at all! We all here are priviledged to enjoy above the average musical systems. Dreaming of improvements is a good thing. After all, this is what powers progress and is deeply embedded in the human firmware - so to speak. Being unhappy, because we can't afford a better system? Oh come on. We should have learned as kids, that you can't always get what you want. But you can try sometimes 😉

Happy listening, whatever level your system is on!

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2 hours ago, vicjayl said:

It will feed active Akurariks when built and delivered (four week wait, I'm told.)

I assume you are referring to the wait for the Hub, rather than the Akubariks? If so, the 4 weeks is interesting as I was told 10 weeks on Friday.

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11 minutes ago, vicjayl said:

No, 'Troll.  Four weeks quoted for the Akuraiks, six to eight for a new Klimax Hub.

vic.

Thanks Vic.

Still quicker than what @Stu and I are expecting. :party:
@akamatsuwill be interested to hear what you think of the Hub plus Akubarik combo.

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7 hours ago, jonbsbd said:

I only know @Paulssurround from reading his interesting posts on this forum, but he seems to be someone who spends a lot of time 'eeking' out the very least dregs of quality from the system he has (and sharing them with us, thanks). Searching through small incremental steps. This is quite some recommendation I would suggest. I agree with you @PaulssurroundI have 'accepted' my Selekt again, but in my heart now I know what I really want!!

Thank you jonbsbd, very kind of you   😊

My journey involves great curiosity, to see how far I can take my system to get the best out of it, trying to get Klimax level performance out of Akurate 

‘The lessons learned along the way have been fascinating and rewarding

I may pull the trigger on a new Klimax Hub at some point, but we will see what happens when I borrow the NGKDSM

7 hours ago, Dasher said:

I agree,  Paul has an ability to bring about pin point refinement - something which he tries hard to pass on to others.

There is so much to do here to my current set up before putting in £30K's worth of DS. For example, I run my ethernet over mains - the difference between this and hard wiring is staggering (my EoM is noisy)  - and all that it involves is drills, ladders, a bit of thought , time and inclination to do it! However, as my main listening is to vinyl, and the system in my main room isn't Exakt, rewiring is still on the 'to-do' list!

I found your review very interesting and can see why you would have difficulty handing it back!

I will get to hear one at some point - and I suspect that it is like hearing a Kandid for the first time and going home to the 'non Kandid' LP12 - it's nice to know what's out there, but also nice to appreciate what you can do with your own personal budget (which of course may, or may not be stretched)!

Thanks Dasher,

A few years ago, I spent a day in Seattle, riding around as a passenger in a new Ferrari California convertible. It was a lot of fun to say the least, and fed my curiosity and excitement as to what it would be like to own a Ferrari.

‘At the end of the day, I was not disappointed when I got back into my own car to drive back to Vancouver, but had a fantastic experience visiting with my friend and sharing his world for a day

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5 hours ago, Moomintroll said:

The looks of it will always be down to personal choice. Having seen one “in the flesh” I’m warming to it - the quality is undeniable - and, dare I say it, the 2016 Klimax DSM on the shelf beneath it started to look a little dull after a while. With the Hub, although it doesn’t house the DAC, it still benefits from the new case, improved ADC, extra input options, optical Ethernet WiFi , Bluetooth etc. Even if you don’t use any of the new features and only stream and/or have a Urika II plugged in, it still benefits from a much a better clocking mechanism which improves all connected Exakt devices. I did the DAC comparison, but not the Hub one, but anecdotally, from the same dealer, the Hub contributes a very significant portion of the improvement, probably a lot more than the 20:80 suggested elsewhere. Interestingly, the Hub and 350 Organik upgrade package is considerably ‘cheaper’ than the NGKDSM (£25.8k vs £30k) although the the trade-in values of KDSMs vs KHubs come some way of levelling this out.

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I absolutely agree 

3 hours ago, vicjayl said:

I have just listened to the  Saint-Saens Organ Symphony (Louis Fremaux CBSO) through a borrowed Klimax Hub into my 242s active with Exactbox and Akurate amps. I'll surpress the gush - but wow!  I've known this music, and this version since my first piece of "hi-fi", but the Klimax produced something of an epiphany. (Okay, I gushed.)

This is a serious bit of kit indeed, to my ears.   It will feed active Akurariks when built and delivered (four week wait, I'm told.) Not sure what to expect from the Akubariks - more of the same but with a little more focus and detail prerhaps(?)

Once again, great service from Hidden Systems (and Neil's set-up skills and advice.)  Best wishes to Chris Fuller, who will hopefully soon be parking his super motorbike on my drive to tweak my Space Optimisation with his magic touch.

Vic.

Glad to hear you enjoyed the Klimax Hub as an epiphany. 

Congratulations on your future Akubariks. They are in a different league from the 242’s and I think you will be very happy with them. I sure am.

‘Great to hear that Chris is on the mend, that Hidden Systems is up and running, and hope Chris makes a full recovery 

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There seems to be some confusion here about the difference between a DSM and a System Hub.

There are many threads on the new Klimax DSM. I started this one for the benefit of myself and others who own Exakt systems, and won't be getting the DSM with Organik inside. Many of us with Exakt speakers will be able to upgrade to Organik in our speakers and Exaktboxes, but not for a couple of years. In the meantime, is there enough benefit to getting the new Klimax System Hub well before the Organik upgrade? Also, how is sound quality impacted whilst using an LP12 with Urika II?

Reports of how staggeringly good the Klimax DSM sounds do us no good as a big part of the improvement is with the Organik DAC onboard.

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56 minutes ago, Moomintroll said:

Thanks Vic.

Still quicker than what @Stu and I are expecting. :party:
@akamatsuwill be interested to hear what you think of the Hub plus Akubarik combo.

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If a Klimax LP12 with Urika II could be added to that, I'd be doubly interested.

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3 hours ago, vicjayl said:

I have just listened to the  Saint-Saens Organ Symphony (Louis Fremaux CBSO) through a borrowed Klimax Hub into my 242s active with Exactbox and Akurate amps. I'll surpress the gush - but wow!  I've known this music, and this version since my first piece of "hi-fi", but the Klimax produced something of an epiphany. (Okay, I gushed.)

This is a serious bit of kit indeed, to my ears.   It will feed active Akurariks when built and delivered (four week wait, I'm told.) Not sure what to expect from the Akubariks - more of the same but with a little more focus and detail prerhaps(?)

Once again, great service from Hidden Systems (and Neil's set-up skills and advice.)  Best wishes to Chris Fuller, who will hopefully soon be parking his super motorbike on my drive to tweak my Space Optimisation with his magic touch.

Vic.

This is very helpful! Thank you! Yes, please gush. It communicates much more than any description of soundstage, etc.

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8 hours ago, Moomintroll said:

The looks of it will always be down to personal choice. Having seen one “in the flesh” I’m warming to it - the quality is undeniable - and, dare I say it, the 2016 Klimax DSM on the shelf beneath it started to look a little dull after a while. With the Hub, although it doesn’t house the DAC, it still benefits from the new case, improved ADC, extra input options, optical Ethernet WiFi , Bluetooth etc. Even if you don’t use any of the new features and only stream and/or have a Urika II plugged in, it still benefits from a much a better clocking mechanism which improves all connected Exakt devices. I did the DAC comparison, but not the Hub one, but anecdotally, from the same dealer, the Hub contributes a very significant portion of the improvement, probably a lot more than the 20:80 suggested elsewhere. Interestingly, the Hub and 350 Organik upgrade package is considerably ‘cheaper’ than the NGKDSM (£25.8k vs £30k) although the the trade-in values of KDSMs vs KHubs come some way of levelling this out.

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As for features, the only one I'm interested in is sound quality. A lot of it is wasted on me. I don't use any analogue inputs.

As for pricing, in the case of Akubariks, the entire kit appears that it could reward the loyal Linn user with a nice discount over the Klimax DSM. We shall see.

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54 minutes ago, akamatsu said:

There seems to be some confusion here about the difference between a DSM and a System Hub.

There are many threads on the new Klimax DSM. I started this one for the benefit of myself and others who own Exakt systems, and won't be getting the DSM with Organik inside. Many of us with Exakt speakers will be able to upgrade to Organik in our speakers and Exaktboxes, but not for a couple of years. In the meantime, is there enough benefit to getting the new Klimax System Hub well before the Organik upgrade? Also, how is sound quality impacted whilst using an LP12 with Urika II?

Reports of how staggeringly good the Klimax DSM sounds do us no good as a big part of the improvement is with the Organik DAC onboard.

There is no confusion here, just trying to keep your thread going until someone does a review of the new Klimax Hub with Katalyst Akubariks.

‘The 2 people on the forum that have ordered the new Klimax Hub both have Klimax 350’s, so that is not going to be a direct comparison for your Akubariks. One of them will have their Klimax hub soon, if not already, and the second person is possibly 10 weeks out

‘I have reserved a Klimax DSM to bring home in the next week or so to try with my Katalyst Akubariks. As I have the Katalyst Akubariks, I will not be using the DAC’s in the Klimax, but it may be the closest to what you are looking for a streamer comparison with an Akurate Hub 

‘When you are spending this kind of cash, you are best to audition it yourself in your own system

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4 minutes ago, Paulssurround said:

There is no confusion here

I just remember a conversation with you a couple of years ago when you thought I could upgrade my 530s to Katalyst by adding a Katalyst equipped DSM. One of your posts here demonstrated a lack of understanding as auditioning a Klimax DSM would be way different from upgrading to a KSH without Organik DAC. So pardon me for thinking that. I'm glad you cleared that up for yourself.

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