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Hello everyone,

I’m new in this forum. I have already read a lot of very cool contents. When I compair with photo forums where there is a lot of trolls and violent talks… what an happy discovery ;-) !

Sorry for my english, it’s bad, I know… I’m French, sorry for that too !

Well, my story with Linn and my dear Linn dealer in Paris began in 1998 with Klout and Keltik.

Then, I had the chance to go CD 12 in 2000.

Then Komri passiv with 2 Solo mono and Kontrol in 2003. The album that provoc the big jump was Kid A (RadioHead) : details and dynamics were absolutly insane. Everyone that night in the shop was blown away… an other world really…

My last evolution was in 2007/2008 with Aktiv via 4 Twin Chakra. This one was the very good one, as the Komri began to warm in sound and open up. Agressivity in highs were dominated at very high levels.
For me, that was it.

In 2019, new home, so new space for the Komri… under the roof with a lot of new air at the top of the room. This was a good thing.

 

July 2021 :

The Kontrol broke, no more light and sound.
Return to my dealer. Could it be fix ?

Yes, but……

After some happy talks, he said to me : it could be time for you to see the devil side of the sound : streaming !
And Linn has come this year with something really special, not just an evolution, but a NEW Linn sound.

I don't like the all digital thing. I work on a Mac all day to pay the bill; if I listen (really) to music, I want it different.
Like a lot of you here, I love to know the details, who play bass, who wrote music and lyrics, who is behind the production…
And most of all : I LOVE ALBUMS, never listen to playlists. For me, each album is a story, a part of the artist life, with hights and lows, energic moments and dramatic ones. Not just success.

OK then, if you reallllllly think it is that good… but I come with my CD 12 and we compare !

One week later, the set up :

CD 12 / DSM Katalyst / DSM Organik, Solo, low/mid level Martin Logan in passiv.
1) CD 12 analog to DSM
2) CD 12 digital to DSM
3) same tunes via Qobuz in CD format
First with Katalyst, then with Organik.
 

To be continued :D

Dinner is ready………

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4 minutes ago, Chris 1970 said:

Hello everyone,

I’m new in this forum. I have already red a lot of very cool contents. When I compair with photo forums where there is a lot of trolls and violent talks… what an happy discovery ;-) Sorry for my english, it’s bad, I know… I’m French, sorry for that too !

Welcome and don’t worry about your english; it’s the language of music that counts. Don’t be sorry for being French - a beautiful country and in my travels through it I’ve thoroughly enjoyed meeting your fellow countrymen. 

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Diner is ready………

Now that is very french, bon appetite!

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I also have a CD12 so will be interested in your thoughts on what you prefer the digital or analogue input. 
 

Agree on reading the notes and on this point vinyl wins for me. I still play my gatefold rush lps with lyrics in the middle. 
 

welcome to the forum

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The title has me intrigued as to the continuation of this story. But please, take your time and enjoy your dinner. :)

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OK, return to work ;)

CD 12 / DSM Katalyst / DSM Organik, Solo, low/mid level Martin Logan in passiv.
1) CD 12 analog to DSM
2) CD 12 digital to DSM
3) same tunes via Qobuz in CD format
First with Katalyst, then with Organik.

Note : the set up is not in the same league than the Komri activ, of course.
The Martin Logan have an open and very transparent sound, that is compatible with the Komri experience.
Less open (than the Komri and the upper models of ML I suppose) but easy to listen.
The biggest difference was that there was no bass at all.
We changed the speakers before them, because they had a totally front sound, no air.
(same budget than the ML and good reviews, just an other philosophy I suppose)

Discs :
King of Convenience, Riot on an empty street (2004), track 1 :
Somptuous acoustic guitar, soft tempo.

Mel Tormé, My kind of music (1961), track 11 :
Fantastic voice, big jazz band orchestra with great dynamics
Ella Fitzgerald, Ella in Berlin, Mack the Knife (1960), track 8 :
Iconic live with very bad recording (even with the japan mini sleeve edition)
The Cure, Faith (1981), track 8 :
So special with the other two of the trilogie (Seventeen seconds and Pornography)

Deep sound with sophisticated layers (remastered 2 CD set)

1) CD 12 analog to DSM Katalyst

King of Convenience The sound is OK. Highs are a little aggressive.
Strange vibration/distortion during the 10 first seconds.
Mel Tormé The sound is OK. Highs are a little aggressive.
Ella Fitzgerald : Aggressive (no surprise).
The Cure : Nice climax.

2) CD 12 digital to DSM Katalyst

No more aggressive sound AT ALL !?! Bass way more present (with limitations of the ML).
The sound is absolutely superlative (detailed, soft and powerful).
The difference is huge, huge, huge. I was breathless indeed.
My CD 12 sounded totally broken in comparaison (A-B, B-A, A-B to confirm)… It has a 22 years old DAC, it's a very long time in digital world for sure…

3) Qobuz CD quality to DSM Katalyst

FOCUS. The exceptional sound of the digital output of the CD 12 with everything even more clear, sharp and natural.
In the heart of the studio. It's exceptional.

4) CD 12 analog to DSM Organik

Return to something aggressive and digital (badly). Pointless.

5) CD 12 digital to DSM Organik

Before going further, you have to understand that Katalyst and streaming was really a choc to me. I was still there at that moment. It was like a divorce indeed… after a long love. The truth was told with Katalyst.

I couldn't believe that the CD 12 was so bad… impossible to admit, in a way.

When the CD 12 was plugged digitally to the DSM Organik, it told an other story : the quality of the Katalyst was still there – with everything even better – but that was not what surprised me. 

The music was suddenly QUIET, so easy to follow. THE TIMING WAS SLOWER. Disc after disc, the timing was SLOWER. We (me and my dealer) had the time to breath. It was VERY strange. Musicians were playing 3 meters in front of us, and it was OK. The air around us and them seems to be the same; it was normal and it was cool. Not incredible, no superlative. Just all in the same room, no more no less. Silence was our silence.

With Kings of Convenience, it was sooo soft, so intimate. It was their mood that they sung to us, privately. With Mel Tormé, it was a crescendo, then a tornado from the band. With Ella, it was all about her smile and then her laugh when she forgot and improvised the lyrics of Mack the Knife. With The Cure, it was the way that the drummer and the guitarist were creating an incredible climax INSIDE the waves of synthesizer…

6) Qobuz CD quality to DSM Organik

The timbres ! The distinct timbres of the voices with Kings of Convenience in duet. The timbre of the guitar. The timbres of the waves of synthesizer. The timbre of the microphones, even the bad ones for Ella ! … TIMBRES TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT I KNEW !?! I thought I knew really well these albums…

That didn't EXIST with Katalyst, and it changed everything ! Each has his own voice, that's… life.

The speakers (Martin Logan)

During this adventure, the Martin Logan which were cool and airy became absolute monsters.
In a way, the room changed of size, in fonction of the room of the artists.
A little room with resonances (some fake) with the Kings of Convenience, a large room for the big band of Mel Tormé. The walls were moving.

The lake of bass was still there at the end, but that was an "intellectual" thought after the show… because the sound was so real that it was not a subject – at all – during the last listening !

The CD 12

I almost left my CD 12 on the shelves, no joke. The dealer reminded me not to forget it :D
The hub and the Exaktbox were in command the week after…

The DSM Organik sound

For me – others can disagree ! – it's a NEW Linn sound.
It's the second time – after the listening of the Komri – I notice that step of hifi performance.
But most of all, it's the first time the instruments and singers are so easy to FEEL. That's really new.

And that was Qobuz in CD quality, no high res listening… unbelievable !

Still a question…

The thing I really don't know now is what Exakt will add to this.

Best,
Chris

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Hello again !

There is a lot of instructive informations in this forum. Access to so different personal experiences on Linn products and musics is really cool. I discover the forum ten days ago… hours of reading since !

So thank you all for sharing all this :D

My long message came next, and it is very long, as I see it this morning !
It's a way to be serious with this forum, and really share myself. Hope it's help !

Best,
Chris

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42 minutes ago, Chris 1970 said:

Hello again !

There is a lot of instructive informations in this forum. Access to so different personal experiences on Linn products and musics is really cool. I discover the forum ten days ago… hours of reading since !

So thank you all for sharing all this :D

My long message came next, and it is very long, as I see it this morning !
It's a way to be serious with this forum, and really share myself. Hope it's help !

Best,
Chris

It's a most excellent review of your impassioned listening Chris. Congratulations!

Mike.

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@Chris 1970

Thank you for an interesting write up. 

What Martin Logan speakers are you using? Are you using the Electrostatics or Motion series? 

I have heard a pair of ElectroMotion ESL X (driven by Chord amps) and was very impressed. I doubt I could accommodate them though as my cottage is not big enough for panel speakers (I own some Magnepan, but they are in storage at the moment). I have not heard ML Motion series, but know they have a good reputation.  

Are you using Space Optimisation V2 with your MLs? 

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Mike,

Thanks for that nice return!

Just curious… how are your Keltik, with your Akurate Exakt system ?
The speakers needed a lot of watt in 2000 and it was not in activ…

They should shine now :)

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Thanks Nestor,

The Martin Logan I auditioned in the store should be the Classic ESL 9.

The point of that demonstration with the Martin Logan in passiv was that… source first still work.
The change of the source made the speakers bigger and invisible.
That's something to live sometimes to believe O.o

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18 hours ago, Chris 1970 said:

Like a lot of you here, I love to know the details, who play bass, who wrote music and lyrics, who is behind the production…
And most of all : I LOVE ALBUMS, never listen to playlists. For me, each album is a story, a part of the artist life, with hights and lows, energic moments and dramatic ones.

Chris,

Since you enjoy album details and it looks like you are going digital are you aware of ROON? It is not for me but many on here love it as (if I understand correctly) it gives you the sort of immersion you are seeking to replace your album covers.

Like you I always used to listen to full albums but since streaming allows you develop your own playlist I have had a dabble and have come to enjoy the occasional playlist - I still mostly listen to full albums but would suggest you dont totally discount the idea of playlists.

Dave

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Thanks Entdgc (I don't know your first name !),

Kings of Convenience should be in every music shelve !
Their first album – Quiet is the new lood (I love the title !) – and second I post in priority.
It's easy and quiet – you will notice a Simon and Garfunkel inspiration for sure – I still love these 2 albums since their release. Brilliant AND accessible for non-music addicts.

This album of Mel Tormé is his last one. An other Sinatra in a way. I picked up this album with luck. One of my long time favorite.

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Dave !

As new as I'm in streaming or NAS or Nucleus Roon life – like others here, wait will be looooong until the DSM Hub and Exakt Box come through my door ! – I'm lost at that time…

On this forum, I've red many thoughts about the way to listen no more to CD nor vinyle.
Some :
– Linn app and Kazoo have problems of connection, lake the full fonctionality of Qobuz or Tidal original apps.
– the interface of Roon is brillant but seems to be a sup module between Qobuz and DSM (if I 
understand correctly, Roon download the file compress and then send it to DMS). Lost in quality for some.
– Old fashion FLAC on a NAS is the best for some others, better than streaming… but noise of the box, slow to access…

Why is Roon not for you ?

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I like to listen to an album as a complete work, and sometimes this is made harder by digital streaming services such as Qobuz, Spotify and Deezer because they tend to offer 'delux' releases that add many mixes that were never part of the original album. I find myself having to edit the playlist in order just to listen to the album. Sometimes only the 'delux' release is available. 

While I have never been a fan of CDs, I love vinyl albums and I prefer the simplicity of playing the album as originally released. 

You can construct playlists to get round this, however streaming does not always quite have the elegant simplicity of spinning a CD or a vinyl album. 

Having said that, I find the combination of Radio Paradise and a service like Spotify or Qobuz continually brings me new music, and as a result my vinyl collection is steadily growing :)

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