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15 minutes ago, Southeastern said:

The Lumin is a fairly harsh amplifier, most of their gear is harsh having owned quite a few bits before giving up with them,  therefore combining the amp with Harbeths I would have thought would have been a good choice! Evidently not.

Interesting - and why I was suggesting matching with the Gato. If Lumin is harsh - and plays brash sounding mastering - then the Harbeths will reveal it.....maybe not as forcefully as some, but still too much for the OP.

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3 minutes ago, CnoEvil said:

IME. Stands can very much affect the sound of speakers.....whether that is Solid Metal/Open/Filled/Wooden - but I wouldn't commit significant money without hearing it first.

I have certainly read that Harbeths (best on Open Stands) sound different on Something Solid vs TonTraeger or Hifi Racks.

A cheap way to find out - is if Ikea has a stool that will suit the speaker.

I agree. Stools another option & certainly worth a try. Keeping expenditure down a must :)  Am using some 2 way horns at the moment & they have solid timber stands. They were made to go together & sound v.nice too. The steel stands looked better but didnt suit them at all.  Trusting our own ears for the best sound is the way to go.  M.

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15 minutes ago, CnoEvil said:

Interesting - and why I was suggesting matching with the Gato. If Lumin is harsh - and plays brash sounding mastering - then the Harbeths will reveal it.....maybe not as forcefully as some, but still too much for the OP.

I'm starting to think that's the crux of the matter and that basically the Lumin may be a little too brash, harsh for my liking....

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15 minutes ago, CnoEvil said:

Interesting - and why I was suggesting matching with the Gato. If Lumin is harsh - and plays brash sounding mastering - then the Harbeths will reveal it.....maybe not as forcefully as some, but still too much for the OP.

I've actually never owned Harbeths, from reading a lot about them, I thought they where somewhat more forgiving than modern designs, evidently not! 

Lumin stuff...I've had three of their streamers and had the M1 on loan for a period. Just harsh digital hash from all of them, I was so glad to be shot of them. 

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10 minutes ago, Southeastern said:

I've actually never owned Harbeths, from reading a lot about them, I thought they where somewhat more forgiving than modern designs, evidently not! 

IME. Harbeths are more "forgiving" than many modern designs - but not at the expense of detail. There are various flavours of BBC type design, with Harbeth, Spendor, Graham and Sterling etc

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My experience of the P3ESR (the only Harbeth I’ve owned) is of a speaker that doesn’t like to play loud. Quite a forgiving speaker compared with many but can become strident at higher SPLs. 

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5 hours ago, Weeman1973 said:

I'm starting to think that's the crux of the matter and that basically the Lumin may be a little too brash, harsh for my liking....

If the Gato works for you with Harbeth - there's a 250S with NPM module for sale here atm

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17 hours ago, CnoEvil said:

IME. Stands can very much affect the sound of speakers.....whether that is Solid Metal/Open/Filled/Wooden - but I wouldn't commit significant money without hearing it first.

I have certainly read that Harbeths (best on Open Stands) sound different on Something Solid vs TonTraeger or Hifi Racks.

A cheap way to find out - is if Ikea has a stool that will suit the speaker.

It’s very speaker dependent.  I found LS3/5a to be extremely stand dependent where others were far less so.

One DIY idea that was quite effective was a 12” by 12” square plant pot, filled with sand then a board, smaller than the internal measurement of the plant pot, resting on top of the sand which then carried the ‘speaker.  If you can get it stable and level, it’s quite good.  It’s what I used for my Spendors until I bought a pair of Something Solid.

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15 hours ago, CnoEvil said:

If the Gato works for you with Harbeth - there's a 250S with NPM module for sale here atm

Would love another Gato but funds won't allow currently thanks.

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1 hour ago, Weeman1973 said:

Would love another Gato but funds won't allow currently thanks.

What is your budget, including anything you have to sell?

Since the problem is likely to be the Lumin - Would something like an Arcam A39/Node 2i work for you - or are you looking for 1 box? 

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37 minutes ago, CnoEvil said:

What is your budget, including anything you have to sell?

Since the problem is likely to be the Lumin - Would something like an Arcam A39/Node 2i work for you - or are you looking for 1 box? 

The one box solution is what drew me to the Lumin in the first place however there are not that many to choose from under say £2k.

Perhaps I'll change to an integrated and add my RPi / Allo Boss DAC as the digital streaming side and my Schiit Mani for analogue duties.

Would perhaps be able to stretch to £1500 depending on what I got back for the Lumin.

I've not looked at Arcam since I had an Alpha 8 in the day and didn't find it anything to write home about.

I've always had a hankering after Hegel so may explore what's out there in my budget.

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1 hour ago, Weeman1973 said:

The one box solution is what drew me to the Lumin in the first place however there are not that many to choose from under say £2k.

Perhaps I'll change to an integrated and add my RPi / Allo Boss DAC as the digital streaming side and my Schiit Mani for analogue duties.

Would perhaps be able to stretch to £1500 depending on what I got back for the Lumin.

I've not looked at Arcam since I had an Alpha 8 in the day and didn't find it anything to write home about.

I've always had a hankering after Hegel so may explore what's out there in my budget.

Class G Arcams, have taken what Arcam do well - and added a drive and liveliness that removed the "pipe and slippers" sound signature that some models are accociated with. The A39 has enough output in Class A to make it both lively and musically engaging (imo).

I was going to suggest Hegel - but wasn't sure if it was a direction you wanted to go in....but it would be a good choice and is often paired with Harbeth. Other brands that might be of interest would be Creek, Rega, Pathos and Electrcompaniet.

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1 hour ago, Weeman1973 said:

The one box solution is what drew me to the Lumin in the first place however there are not that many to choose from under say £2k.

Perhaps I'll change to an integrated and add my RPi / Allo Boss DAC as the digital streaming side and my Schiit Mani for analogue duties.

Would perhaps be able to stretch to £1500 depending on what I got back for the Lumin.

I've not looked at Arcam since I had an Alpha 8 in the day and didn't find it anything to write home about.

I've always had a hankering after Hegel so may explore what's out there in my budget.

You could probably get a NAIM UNITI Nova, used, for around £2500. One just sold on PFM for that. Between the Lumon and the Nova, well, they are worlds apart!

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25 minutes ago, CnoEvil said:

Class G Arcams, have taken what Arcam do well - and added a drive and liveliness that removed the "pipe and slippers" sound signature that some models are accociated with. The A39 has enough output in Class A to make it both lively and musically engaging (imo).

I was going to suggest Hegel - but wasn't sure if it was a direction you wanted to go in....but it would be a good choice and is often paired with Harbeth. Other brands that might be of interest would be Creek, Rega, Pathos and Electrcompaniet.

There's another I've always wanted to try.

There's an older one for sale on AoS which I keep getting drawn to....

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20 minutes ago, Southeastern said:

You could probably get a NAIM UNITI Nova, used, for around £2500. One just sold on PFM for that. Between the Lumon and the Nova, well, they are worlds apart!

Thanks but that's well over budget

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