A Very Impressive Device, But Hugely Expensive

[bigfool1956]

If I were rich, I'd probably go for this. Maybe in another life.

 

[audio_PHIL_e]

If I were rich, I'd probably go for this. Maybe in another life.

Likewise.
The uncorrected sound reminds me of when I tried to record acoustic guitars on 4-track cassette, there was always an annoying wobble in the sound which fortunately went away when I got a digital recorder.

 

[StingRay]

I can understand why a lot of classical listeners switched to digital.

 

[tackleberry]

Waste of money for me, a load of mine are tight on the spindle. And anyway, I’ve had grooves way past the point of any movement play could correct

 

[Warszawa]

At some point you've got to ask yourself "is playing this one really worth the effort".

 

[maddog_007]

I can understand why a lot of classical listeners switched to digital.

Well I for one treasure my 'classical' vinyl collection...
sonically it equals my digital collection which doesn't have that visceral LP magic...

 

[orbscure]

I'm fairly sure this, or something very similar, was being demoed at the recent North West Audio Show... and having heard it within the limitations of a demo room and with a record I hadn't heard before, there was an improvement with it on rather than off...

 

[StingRay]

I'm fairly sure this, or something very similar, was being demoed at the recent North West Audio Show... and having heard it within the limitations of a demo room and with a record I hadn't heard before, there was an improvement with it on rather than off...

It looks good device but seems excessively expensive.

 

[Jules_S]

.... or just save up for a Nakamichi TX-1000....

One thing I'd note - if you're trying to demo a device that minimises eccentricity then probably best not to take your video using a hand-held (phone?) camera

#justsaying

 

[Beobloke]

I had a play with one in Munich and it’s brilliant but two things struck me. Firstly, if your LPs are a snug fit over your spindle, then you have to ream them out in order to be able to move them.

Secondly, it’s over £5000. You can indeed buy a Nakamichi Dragon CT for that and, maybe if you’re lucky, even a TX-1000. Both of these do it for you automatically!

 

[Jules_S]

I had a play with one in Munich and it’s brilliant but two things struck me. Firstly, if your LPs are a snug fit over your spindle, then you have to ream them out in order to be able to move them.

Secondly, it’s over £5000. You can indeed buy a Nakamichi Dragon CT for that and, maybe if you’re lucky, even a TX-1000. Both of these do it for you automatically!

Wow! That is outrageous money for a fancy record puck. I think I'd rather save up a bit more and get the TX for definite

 

[bigfool1956]

Wow! That is outrageous money for a fancy record puck. I think I'd rather save up a bit more and get the TX for definite

It's not a record puck Jools, did you watch the video?

 

[Jules_S]

It's not a record puck Jools, did you watch the video?

Yes David, I did. I was being a little flippant, but in essence that's what it is, a ruddy great big puck with some electronic gubbins inside. Not really £5k worth I don't think. Plus it's not going to work very well with suspended decks I wouldn't imagine - the weight will play havoc even given the fact that it's removed before playback. And how do you make sure that you don't accidentally knock the LP as you take it off the spindle, and ruin the calibration? Then you start all over again.... No, not for me thanks

 

[bigfool1956]

Yes David, I did. I was being a little flippant, but in essence that's what it is, a ruddy great big puck with some electronic gubbins inside. Not really £5k worth I don't think. Plus it's not going to work very well with suspended decks I wouldn't imagine - the weight will play havoc even given the fact that it's removed before playback. And how do you make sure that you don't accidentally knock the LP as you take it off the spindle, and ruin the calibration? Then you start all over again.... No, not for me thanks

Not for any of us at that price I would think.

I was as much interested in the results of centring the groove as in the device itself. It really makes a major difference.

 

[Steveh]

Does it work on eccentric people?

 

[rabski]

I posted in the other thread (somewhere on the site) about this.

First, I'm not at all convinced it's a major problem in the first place. I'm very sensitive to pitch variation, and I can't remember the last time I had an LP that suffered. It would also be easy to spot with the cartridge moving slightly. No sign or sound of it here.

Second, if it was that widespread, I can't believe the Nakamichi would be the only turntable designed to deal with it. There would be an obvious market and the world is hardly short of turntable manufacturers.

Last (biggest issue) the price is insane.

 

[It Cost How Much!?!]

I'm fairly sure this, or something very similar, was being demoed at the recent North West Audio Show... and having heard it within the limitations of a demo room and with a record I hadn't heard before, there was an improvement with it on rather than off...

It was by a smarmy self obsessed guy with a very expensive stereo. I would like to try it on my own records, not some potentially deliberately modified ones. I never trust these sort of 'listen to the difference' demos, I have to demo in my own environment.

 

[Audio Al]

I could see it working but tone arms have bearings in the to account for any lateral and vertical deviations , I will keep my £5K ,

 

[Beobloke]

I posted in the other thread (somewhere on the site) about this.

First, I'm not at all convinced it's a major problem in the first place. I'm very sensitive to pitch variation, and I can't remember the last time I had an LP that suffered. It would also be easy to spot with the cartridge moving slightly. No sign or sound of it here.

Second, if it was that widespread, I can't believe the Nakamichi would be the only turntable designed to deal with it. There would be an obvious market and the world is hardly short of turntable manufacturers.

Last (biggest issue) the price is insane.

The Nakamichi decks can only correct for up to 0.5mm off-centre (which is audible), but you’d be surprised at the difference even 0.2mm can make to the sound.

At this level there is generally no wow audible but it’s surprising how the imagery becomes more focused and defined when you correct for it.

 

[rabski]

The Nakamichi decks can only correct for up to 0.5mm off-centre (which is audible), but you’d be surprised at the difference even 0.2mm can make to the sound.

At this level there is generally no wow audible but it’s surprising how the imagery becomes more focused and defined when you correct for it.

I wish you hadn't posted that, because I generally 'agree' with your ears, so now you've got me wondering.

Happily though, at that price it's going to remain on the 'wonder about' list, rather than the 'try it and see' list.