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dudywoxer

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I currently use a denon dl 110 on a Rega P25/RB 600, which I thoroughly enjoy, but having aquired a Rega MC phone stage at sensible money fancy having a play with a Low Output MC as an alternative.

I have tried the denon 103, but found it a bit dark sounding, (could have been the NAD Phono stage I was lent with it), what can I try that is not going to break the bank- say £250 max.

The Denon will be staying with me, and I just fancy having a inexpensive play, something on the lighter side, but not screechy, that has more emphasis on music than Hi Fi.

 

Gromit

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Dudy - if you found the cooking 103 a tad dark, give the 103R a try. It's a brighter, slightly more incisive cartridge - especially if you can get more than 200 ohms impedenceon the mc input.

I dearly love the 110 (who wouldn't for the money!) but in my systemthe 103Rreally is demonstrably better. It's much more dynamic, bass detail is lots better, more stop&start to notes and makes more sense of musical phrasing. The only thing the 103R doesn't do as well as the 110 is the stereo soundstage thing, but that's right at the bottom of my priorities anyway.
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Dudy, if you like the denon sound maybe moving to a DL304 would be an option.

I'mnot overly keen on the DL110/160/103 but thought 304 was a lovely cartridge. Very cultured,detailed sound, tracks superbly. Can sound maybe a touch laid back but the air and transparency give a sense of what a top MC is all about.

I have to say I found the DL103 a huge disappointment, tracking problems andthe sound was poor,imo. I've always wondered why these carts have such a following on the forums. It didn't stay in my system very long and it was returned to the owner, who had the good sense to replace with a Shelter. He felt the same as me regarding the DL103.

I prefered the Goldring elite which replaced the DL304, again a great tracker and more powerful driving sound which suits rock more than the DL304.

However I'd still look to see if you could get hold of a DL304.

 

dudywoxer

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I have to say hat I did not have any tracking problems with the 103, unless it was a particularly long album, with a loud last track, in which case it sometimes struggled. It was a pain to get it set up properly though. It was just darker than I would like. They guy who lent me it has some MA speakers, and the Denon compliments them very well, calming the tendancy to shriek a touch at times. May be the 304 is what I need, as I do like the 110/160 very much, and may be I just want more of that.

 

TIU

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What does Tony at Needles'n'spins have to offer or recommend? I don't think he stocks the Denons though.

 

dudywoxer

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I had a look at Tony's site, but his main offerings are Ortofon which I find a bit too clean sounding for me, he has the A/T OC9, but it suffers from the Hi Fi conversion rate, ite £320 ish in the UK and about $280 in the states.

 

JPG

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Rudi got one for £150 inc. postage (exc. taxes). I dunno how much you would be hit for by HMarsey, but I would think that you could get it well within budget.

 
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did you come to a decision on your next cartridge Kenny?

 

kennyk

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ummm... well I've just had ANOTHER disaster
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, and my spare is currently sans diamond. so I'm going to have to get a budget spare in the meantime... so far the favourites are either the goldring eroica, or the ortofon salsa...

meanwhile, a rather aged and wavy-cantilevered shiraz is currently back in something approximating service. well it works after a fashion but sounds a bit boomy. think the suspension is, for want of a less technical term, "shagged"

 

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dudywoxer wrote:

I currently use a denon dl 110 on a Rega P25/RB 600, which I thoroughly enjoy, but having aquired a Rega MC phone stage at sensible money fancy having a play with a Low Output MC as an alternative.
The AT OC9 ml11.

Although it changes from good to bad overnight.

Apparently.
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Uncle Ants

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JPG wrote:

Rudi got one for £150 inc. postage (exc. taxes). I dunno how much you would be hit for by HMarsey, but I would think that you could get it well within budget.
There's maybe one going cheap in Sweden I heard, very few hours on it too.

 

dudywoxer

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Your all just being nasty to Ruudddi, I am going to get his dealer mate to check out my cable loom though

 

griffo104

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dudywoxer wrote:

Your all just being nasty to Ruudddi, I am going to get his dealer mate to check out my cable loom though
just make sure he connects the mains loom correctly otherwise it could get a bit too interesting
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Go for a dl304 - you know you want to
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, just make sure your phono is ok with VERY low output carts.

 

dudywoxer

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Having had a chat with the nice man at Rega it seems that the denon's output might be a touch low for Phono (MC) or the card for the Cursa, thats assuming Denon quoted 0.18 is right, so its back to the drawing board.

 
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just buy the denon dudy you will need a good phono stage though.. mine runs through a dino with outboard power supply and sounds awesome.

the output is 0.21 dudy.. thats what the printout on mine says.

 
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the beauty of the dl304 is it will play ANY record without causing a fuss.

bright recordings sound relaxing and old dull recordings come to life.. it realy is someting special i'm hearing it properly for the first time and i'm blown away... makes my cd player sound like a aiwa midi system

 

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