First ever valve amp just arrived for home demo...Krell-beater?

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Today goes down in my very limited hifi history as a massive benchmark, and this month I'll decide if I keep my current set-up or move to something else completely different and put some mouth-wateringly tasty equipment up for sale (reluctantly). I'm going to fight the urge to box swap after this, so this will be one hell of a comparison demo. So much so, I might have to organise a mini bake-off to get other (more experienced) opinions.

So my second ever amp change might be made....an Emille KI-40L arrived on home loan. Heard its smaller brother in Myrman's system at Scalford with Zingali Overtures and was impressed. Stated qualities are uncharacteristic dynamics and bass...which is what it'll need if it'll win over the Krell pre power set-up. I do like the Krell/Usher set-up I have but you know...as a Wammer there is this constant urge to try something that might better what you have once you've lived with it long enough to identify minor shortcomings. Whether or not that's possible is something I'll find out soon, and if not, I'll happily live the next few years with what I've got.

Here's the Emille, a thing of beauty, being unboxed. It'll get it's first run in on Thursday.





The Wilson Sophias I'm comparing to the Ushers have slightly harsh highs when the volume's turned up with the Krells, but still bags of detail and good bass. What I really want to find out is will the Emille take off that harshness and keep the bass/dynamics/detail. If so, they'll both be keepers and the Krells/Ushers may have to go. It's still bloody close though..because both sets of speakers do things really well: Ushers with scale and low bass and sweet laid back treble at high volumes, and the Sophias with low volume detail, more forward midrange and controlled bass. Clap came and heard them being A/B.

To confuse things even more...I'm going to have to try a pair of these at the same time. If I don't I'll forever regret it. If they have all the qualities I need then I'll keep them and sell the Wilsons AND the Ushers AND the Krells. Zingali Zero Diecis in either Walnut horn or Wenge horn (what dya reckon??).





Which combo do you think will win out for clarity, dynamics, bass for mostly electronic/vocal-inspired music at decent levels?

If I opened up the demos as a bake-off type thingy, anyone interested in coming? (near Glastonbury, Somerset)

 

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Some mouth-watering gear there Carl. Depending on what day it was (I have weird shifts) I'd love to come and have a listen :)

 

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I am not sure the Emille will have enough grunt for the Wilsons and the Ushers, given your type of music. Should sing with the Zingalis, though. Ultimately, you'll have to decide. I'd personally go for the Zingali/Emille combo.

 

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Nice one Carl. I will follow this thread with interest. How efficient are the Wilsons?

Walnut horn would be my choice btw

 

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I've only heard Emille amplification once...driving Zu Essences. Jaw dropping stuff...Zep's Dazed and Confused has never sounded more alive...it was one of those moments that stay with you!

What a nice problem to have! Enjoy the journey...

Plus it's bloody gorgeous.

 
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Myrman - both the Ushers and the Wilsons are 89db...so let's see what the Emille can do with them tomorrow!

 

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The packing box probably costs more than most of my kit! Lovely gear, and I look forward to reading about its' performance.

 

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I am available to help with the evaluation if needed.

Regards

Cyclopse

 
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Having a lot of fun Nick, but only managed to get in about an hour's listening so far. Need longer to do a proper comparison, but actually the sound between the two amps isn't a world apart (we all know changing speakers give the biggest difference). Thus far I think the Emille gives vocals a better portrayal, doesn't go right down low with the bass as with the Krell, but does take the harshness off the Wilson's top end. I'm not sure if some of the definition and immediacy of sounds has been taken away though. I need to A/B again, but so far I'd say the Emille is a more comfortable and liveable listen with the Wilsons for the louder volumes. Looking forward to putting the Krell back with the Ushers for the same tracks.

The main problem is...when a component sounds better with some of your favourite tracks, yet the other component sounds better with your other favourite tracks...what the hell do you do then!!

 
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Ok thanks Cyclopse. So straight after Whittlebury I'll arrange a mini bake-off for about 6 people (collecting Zingalis there so it would make sense to have those involved too).

Please be aware of my music taste though...I really want to put through some of the music that I listen to in order to form a definitive opinion of which I'm keeping and which I'm selling, so that means quite a lot of electronic music (Goldfrapp, Oceanlab, London Grammar, Beloved, Chicane) plus some rock/chart such as Lana Del Rey, Noah and the Whale, REM, Foo Fighters, Stereophonics, Biffy Clyro).

Certainly don't mind a few visitor's tracks of similar genres (or indeed girl and guitar) because it's always good to hear tracks you know well for evaluation purposes.

 

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I'd be interested in a listen - sorry to not get back to you re Whittlebury, I'm working like a mad thing at the moment and clean forgot... :doh: but would love to come and have a listen to these IF I'm around - which, with this job I'm on, is very hard to predict! The Emile with those Zingalis should be interesting if Nick's system is anything to go by...

Jason

 

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Ok thanks Cyclopse. So straight after Whittlebury I'll arrange a mini bake-off for about 6 people (collecting Zingalis there so it would make sense to have those involved too).Please be aware of my music taste though...I really want to put through some of the music that I listen to in order to form a definitive opinion of which I'm keeping and which I'm selling, so that means quite a lot of electronic music (Goldfrapp, Oceanlab, London Grammar, Beloved, Chicane) plus some rock/chart such as Lana Del Rey, Noah and the Whale, REM, Foo Fighters, Stereophonics, Biffy Clyro).

Certainly don't mind a few visitor's tracks of similar genres (or indeed girl and guitar) because it's always good to hear tracks you know well for evaluation purposes.
And ultimately your choice of music and it presentation will sway your choice. I suspect that the Emille and Zingali pairing may not have the bass grip and slam you ultimately want but may seduce you elsewhere ie vocals and acoustic instruments. I was listening to the new Goldfrapp LP yesterday and the vocals sounded wonderful.

 

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Carl you may have tried this already but have you thought about using a decent valve pre amp with the Krell ? Did you find the Wilson's top end harsh with the Emille ? For your tastes in music I would have thought SS is the way to go.

 

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Carl did you get Diecis for a home demo in the end and how are you getting on with the Emille?

 

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