going to China what hifi to look out for

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soon be off to Beijing to visit my daughter who has lived there for the past seven years, any suggestions of what to look at whilst there, hifi related. Those that don't like Chinese kit feel free to tear into those that do, as I'm sure you will anyway. Personally I have had only good experiences with Chinese kit and don't know anyone whose house has burned down.

 

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Look for some awesome Japanese Sansui valve gear from the past an bring them back with you if the price is right

 

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Most of the tube power amps and similar are shit unless extensively modified, as they're built to the minimum possible specs to just about work.

However, they copy some serious stuff to amazing standards. I'd look for a DAC or two. Possibly a solid state pre.

 
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I spend quite a bit of time in China and the main point here is that even if you see any half decent valve kit (some of it is creeping into the malls now as it's becoming more mainstream) it's likely to be the sort of stuff you can get here fairly easily. However, you will probably be asked to pay twice or three times what you can get it for via Cattylink/eBay etc, and it will definitely be 220v so you won't even have the minimal warranty you get when buying mail order.

The local retail price most likely won't be displayed but will be given verbally (local retail in China is increasingly steep), but even if your mandarin is fairly reasonable you won't have the same ability to cut a deal as a local - most department stores regularly negotiate a big chunk off off the asking price in-store (the percentage depends on what the line is - you can even do this with shirts, jackets etc) but as a 'rich foreigner' they won't be bending over backwards to give you maximum discount.

Increasingly Chinese shopping is becoming polarised between the big city malls, which sell expensive imports alongside local would-be premium brands at hugely marked-up prices (for name-brand-purchasers to show off the logos and brag about, like many people used to do here before the whole austerity thing), and local shops/night markets that sell a combination of cheap junk and knock-offs. The above applies pretty much anywhere these days, but especially Shanghai, where conspicuous consumption is a way of life for a privileged sector of society and where foreigners are expected to join in the madness.

Hong Kong is a little different, as is Taiwan, there's a thriving enthusiast hifi scene in both places, a more laid back approach to dealing with foreigners, and back street shops (if you can find them) where you are more likely to see interesting stuff if you look in the right places. It won't be cheap in there either though.

Anyway, by all means have a look about, but bear the above in mind. Even when I go to Japan (which is 100v) I tend only to buy non-powered stuff like cartridges and related bits due to the voltage issue. China has some rather nice quality souvenir stuff, but in maybe 10-12 trips over the past 7 years I've never bought any hifi there.

 

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yep just the sort of reply I was expecting.

Most of the tube power amps and similar are shit unless extensively modified, as they're built to the minimum possible specs to just about work.However, they copy some serious stuff to amazing standards. I'd look for a DAC or two. Possibly a solid state pre.
 

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I was surprised by the cost of stuff last visit Tom, not at all cheap like Thailand and Indonesia in the past. As for a local bartering, my daughter speaks fluent mandarin and my son in law is a local. A relative is the chief of police in the district where we stay and has a lot of influence. I only need to point out what I am interested in and he goes next day and does a deal.

 
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"influence" !!!!!

otherwise the shopkeeper has to dontate to the police chiefs charity

or else

oops, that nigeria, congo, etc. Surely not in china ? They shoot people for less

 

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indeed, I am just faffing on here Andy, we have done the usual great wall, forbidden city, summer palace, terracotta warriors etc, plan to do the seaside thing for a bit, spend some time with my grandson and do some browsing. May just have some spare time to look into the hi fi scene and whats on offer. I don't plan on lugging some enormous valve amp through customs as I have all the deadly, warranty void valve amps I need, oh and a valve cd player ( Chinese ) not that there's anything wrong with saving a " few bob ".

Why waste time on holiday faffing around trying to save a few bob on an item that will end up with a non workable warranty and perhaps transit hassle .Spend the time with your family and learning about the brilliant culture with your camera
 

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"influence" !!!!!otherwise the shopkeeper has to dontate to the police chiefs charity

or else

oops, that nigeria, congo, etc. Surely not in china ? They shoot people for less
Ha ha yes because of the recent anti corruption drive one Chinese policeman I know can't buy the Mercedes S class he was hoping for

 
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I for one would like to hear some Line Magnetic amplication

 

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Apparently you can while away a reasonable time playing "spot the dodgy copy of another manufacturer's product". Or even "oh look, it's a Chinese-manufactured well known Western product but with a different name and a much smaller price tag"

Allegedly...

 
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I was surprised by the cost of stuff last visit Tom, not at all cheap like Thailand and Indonesia in the past. As for a local bartering, my daughter speaks fluent mandarin and my son in law is a local. A relative is the chief of police in the district where we stay and has a lot of influence. I only need to point out what I am interested in and he goes next day and does a deal.
That's the way to do business all right and they should be able to find out if there's anything of interest locally ... as you say though prices are typically high for many things (and going up as the Yuan rises and local inflation bites).

If you do find anywhere interesting to go I'd be keen to find out, due to my own family connections I know my way around Taiwan much better, and also Hong Kong to some extent, but no-one of my acquaintance in mainland China has the first clue about hifi so I've never been directed to anywhere remotely interesting. I'm sure by now there must serious hifi shops tucked away in corners of Shanghai, Beijing and so on selling Kondo and the like, but they are probably charging higher prices than you'd pay in Ginza!

 

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Hope you have more success that I did - closest thing I found to hifi was BFA plugs at 10 yuan a piece. Your probably better looking on taobao.

 

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A pal of Coco's and mine went regularly to Shanghai and took lots of pics of all things valve and transformer. You name it it was there, from specialist shops to general stores, bang it out cheap, to the hi-end stuff.

One nice shot of multi-storey building work scafold all in bamboo!

 
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A pal of Coco's and mine went regularly to Shanghai and took lots of pics of all things valve and transformer. You name it it was there, from specialist shops to general stores, bang it out cheap, to the hi-end stuff.One nice shot of multi-storey building work scafold all in bamboo!
You got the any idea of the address (or even the district)? Got to get there on next trip. :cool:

 

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soon be off to Beijing to visit my daughter who has lived there for the past seven years, any suggestions of what to look at whilst there, hifi related. Those that don't like Chinese kit feel free to tear into those that do, as I'm sure you will anyway. Personally I have had only good experiences with Chinese kit and don't know anyone whose house has burned down.
I am not familiar with chinese gear, but I would probably seek out for an audition of the Consonance 211 monoblocks. I have not personally auditioned them, but I have have heard possitive things about them.

Let us know what you end up bringing all the way back home

 

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