linn Klimax DSM 3 Jitter measurements

[anatius]

Does any one know what the jitter measurements of the Linn Klimax DSM3 Organik DAC are?
Is any one aware of reviews of the above device which includes lab measurements?

 

[Paulssurround]

A friend of mine is doing a review of the new Linn Klimax DSM3 with the Organik DAC’s for one of the audio magazines. Linn provided him with the DSM3 for his review and he was more than impressed. The review is not out yet, as far as I know

In his opinion, this product is the best sounding streamer he has ever heard, and he has reviewed many top end streamers and DAC’s from the likes of dCs, Meitner and so on.

I don’t think jitter measurements were a consideration, as he was enthralled by the music.

 

[Tendaberry]

I haven't seen any reviews, that include jitter measurement yet. I guess, we have to wait for Stereophile or one of the German magazines. In the review in the German magazine Audio, jitter wasn't measured. But the NGKDSM does have a femto-clock, so jitter should be extremely low.

 

[Moomintroll]

And if that doesn’t sound impressive, a femtosecond is one quadrillionth of a second. That’s 1/1,000,000,000,000,000th.

Still amazes me.

‘troll

 

[akamatsu]

Whatever the level of jitter is, I can't hear it.

 

[anatius]

Thanks to all who responded. It is an important parameter in DAC design. I always thought it was a millionth of a billionth of a second I just wanted some assurance

 

[Moomintroll]

Thanks to all who responded. It is an important parameter in DAC design. I always thought it was a millionth of a billionth of a second I just wanted some assurance

That would be a trillionth? Femto is 1000 times smaller.

‘troll

 

[Nopiano]

Hifi News and Stereophile still measure jitter, but at today’s very low levels it seems to offer little correlation with sound quality. (Like SINAD, one hundred times below audibility isn’t “better” than ten times below audibility.)

 

[Nestor Turton]

Does any one know what the jitter measurements of the Linn Klimax DSM3 Organik DAC are?
Is any one aware of reviews of the above device which includes lab measurements?

I associate jitter with data flowing from transport to DAC. If you’re using Ethernet to move data to KDSM then jitter is internal to KDSM. You could measure jitter (noise) between Klimax Hub and external DAC with Rhodes & Swartz analyser, but doubt it does Exakt, so only S/PDIF out.

Is there a specific reason you wish to know this parameter? Linn may be able to tell you. I don’t think it’s useful in the context of a DSM. It might be interesting to know jitter from Klimax Hub over Exakt.

 

[akamatsu]

That would be a trillionth? Femto is 1000 times smaller.

‘troll

A femtosecond is a millionth of a billionth, which would be a quadrilionth of a second. A thousandth of a billionth would be a trillionth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femtosecond

 

[Moomintroll]

A femtosecond is a millionth of a billionth, which would be a quadrilionth of a second. A thousandth of a millionth would be a trillionth.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femtosecond[/URL]

Yes, somehow I counted 12 zeroes instead of 15. These Jubilee celebrations have me worn out.

 

[anatius]

I associate jitter with data flowing from transport to DAC. If you’re using Ethernet to move data to KDSM then jitter is internal to KDSM. You could measure jitter (noise) between Klimax Hub and external DAC with Rhodes & Swartz analyser, but doubt it does Exakt, so only S/PDIF out.

Is there a specific reason you wish to know this parameter? Linn may be able to tell you. I don’t think it’s useful in the context of a DSM. It might be interesting to know jitter from Klimax Hub over Exakt.

A review quoted Eelco Grimm as saying that eliminating jitter was essential to achieve significant audio quality improvements in DACS. I came across a Linn video promoting the Organic and in it the engineer in charge of the development of the Organic DAC said the jitter figure was one trillionth of a second. I did ask a Linn executive for the figure but he advised that because of the different ways of measuring jitter Linn were reluctant to provide a figure. I was just interested having a figure to compare DACS.

 

[maddog_007]

My KDS/Organik has been worth every penny it cost to upgrade.

Only wish I could swap out ma auld lugs tae!

 

[Moomintroll]

Only wish I could swap out ma auld lugs tae!

For the benefit of our non-Glaswegian readers etc…

I only wish I could upgrade my old ears, too.

’troll

 

[maddog_007]

For the benefit of our non-Glaswegian readers etc…

I only wish I could upgrade my old ears, too.

’troll

Thanks are due to our in house Scots translation ,courtesy of Moomintroll! .

 

[quinn_t]

Interesting about the Tiefenbrun last name? Is it Jewish, no?

 

[Ian H]

Yes. Ivor's father left Austria at age 18 for the usual Nazi reasons and found sanctuary in Scotland.

 

[sunbeamgls]

A review quoted Eelco Grimm as saying that eliminating jitter was essential to achieve significant audio quality improvements in DACS. I came across a Linn video promoting the Organic and in it the engineer in charge of the development of the Organic DAC said the jitter figure was one trillionth of a second. I did ask a Linn executive for the figure but he advised that because of the different ways of measuring jitter Linn were reluctant to provide a figure. I was just interested having a figure to compare DACS.

Just go to listen to them. You'll find out far more that way.

 

[Jail4CEOs2]

我希望我能消除我的耳鳴！

 

[Ian H]

That's easy for you to say!

我希望我能消除我的耳鳴！