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LP12 Facebook online event - Radikal 2 & Exstatik

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The Linn Facebook page is pretty much a waste of time (unless you like looking at LP covers). I wouldn't lose any sleep over it!
The event isn’t on the Linn fb page, but that of a private group. They have organised several so far, and Gilad has been very supportive, making R&D engineers available to give an insight into the development of new products. I’m not suggesting that anyone joins fb in order to view, but it’s there if you want it.
 

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I’m also wondering whether there might be some mention of the rumoured new products…

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Just finished as Gilad had another commitment. Not a bad chat, apart from Clive Gidney spending far too much time asking about supply chains and hobbies etc (IMHO).

What I took away from this:
There will be no Organik upgrade for Akubariks! Not enough room, although Gilad did say they were looking at the commercials of offering upgrades via Exaktboxes and external amps. Probably not what many on here wanted to hear.

Do not use Lyra SPT on the Exstatik - dry clean only, at the request of EMT. Presumably this applies to the Kendo too.

The Kendo and Arko were developed in tandem, so work very well together.

The original Radikal design used an analogue voltage reference, which could drift. The Radikal 2 effectively uses a DAC to provide a very accurate and stable digital reference. A FPGA is used to control the motor.

That’s about it - I’ll add to this if any else springs to mind.

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Thanks for the feedback
Is an Organik upgrade planned for the Selekt DSM?
 

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There will be no Organik upgrade for Akubariks! Not enough room, although Gilad did say they were looking at the commercials of offering upgrades via Exaktboxes and external amps. Probably not what many on here wanted to hear.
I had been tipped off to this back in April, and was sworn to secrecy. I've just been imagining how Klimax 350s would look in Pearl Dark Gray. :)
 

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I had been tipped off to this back in April, and was sworn to secrecy. I've just been imagining how Klimax 350s would look in Pearl Dark Gray. :)
Well, this was direct from Gilad and the first question he responded to.
 
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I've heard that some people complain that the Koil is just another ATOC9, but Linn charges double for it.
Some people like to komplain about anything they can think of. I'm sure some will complain because the Arko is silver (some did when the Krane came out). Linn says on their data sheet that it is made by Audio Technica and based on the OC9 series, so it's not like they are trying to pull a fast one. But Linn has had some changes made (all they have so far mentioned is the suspension) so "just another OC9"? Well, sorta. The proof of the pudding will be in the listening.
 

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Some people like to komplain about anything they can think of. I'm sure some will complain because the Arko is silver (some did when the Krane came out). Linn says on their data sheet that it is made by Audio Technica and based on the OC9 series, so it's not like they are trying to pull a fast one. But Linn has had some changes made (all they have so far mentioned is the suspension) so "just another OC9"? Well, sorta. The proof of the pudding will be in the listening. is not about wanting to complain about everything, it is a legitimate question and concern when the time comes to spend your money.
I don't think it's fair to dismiss this question as to people liking to complain about everything, it is a legitimate question in my view, specially when the time comes to spend your money. The specs Linn published basically match what Audio-Techica had published for the AT-OC9XML since it hit the market. Now they are claiming modifications to the suspension while conveniently omitting compliance numbers. No manufacturer should be blindfully trusted, they should earn consumer's trust at every turn.
 
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I don't think it's fair to dismiss this question as to people liking to complain about everything, it is a legitimate question in my view, specially when the time comes to spend your money. The specs Linn published basically match what Audio-Techica had published for the AT-OC9XML since it hit the market. Now they are claiming modifications to the suspension while conveniently omitting compliance numbers. No manufacturer should be blindfully trusted, they should earn consumer's trust at every turn.
It is perfectly fair to dismiss complaints by people who have no idea of what they are talking about. Nobody who has complained has heard a Koil, nobody who has complained has any idea what changes Linn has made to the version of OC9 they based it on (and a compliance number is certainly not going to tell you anything particularly important music wise about changes to the suspension), certainly nobody who is complaining has heard the OC9 XML vs. the Koil.

Of course no manufacturer should be "blindfully" trusted. Neither should they be "blindfully" denigrated. When it comes down to it you make a choice based on what you hear. If you listen to the Koil and don't find enough improvement over the OC9, or you don't think the perfromance is worth the money, you don't have to buy it.

Is it a fair price? I have no idea. But neither do you. Lets try another example. The Krane is made for Linn by Clearaudio. It has some changes Linn specified including a Linn arm cable (which runs about $400 by itself). It is based on the Clearaucio Satisfy aluminum arm. In the US the Satisfy sells for $1700 and the Krane sells for $1755. Not much of a difference considering they are buying the product from Clearaudio so should be paying more than what it costs Clearaudio to make. So Linn didn't add an upcharge of 90% to the Krane - apparently they don't automatically do that, do they? Want another example? The Kendo seems closest to the EMT JSD 6 (at least based on the same superficial inspection people have done on the Koil - boron cantilever, fine line stylus). The Kendo runs £2800, the EMT £2680 (I couldn't find US prices for the EMT.). Yeah that's a really big jump!

Whenever Linn comes out with something new people are quick to claim they are overcharging for it. The Keel sparked a ton of such comments. The Arko is already getting such comments too when, again, nobody on these forums is likely to have gotten their hands on one yet. If you want to complain about prices why don't you try something real: eggs, milk, gasoline for instance? Those are some things where you know you are making a fair comparison as they actually are the same things.
 

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