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w2hat Like tracy emin did with the bed, I thought the statement she was making, was look at these art wankers, they'll fall for anything, bet if I put in my bed and called it "teenage agnst" or somesuch, these tossers would likely give it first prize, it's all bollox, and you know it

 

[Umberto]

^^^^^ wot he said^^^^^^

 

[Injector]

rockmeister wrote:

been here, had the arguement.Art is not wallpaper

Art is not easy

Art is not comfortable

There is Art that is all the above, and you're free to go and buy it if you want. Art (like music) needs to refresh itself and at least it is brave enough to go on doing that, public approval or not. Music however....what has really shaken you up since Punk?

Why does art need to refresh itself?A good painting is a good painting IMO. Same with music, we don't need new fads coming along to keep us interested - I still like the sametunes I grew up with. I didn't need rave, boy bands, r'n'b and Pop Idol to keep me interested. Give up now, nobody can ever convince me that modern art (a good 95% of it) has any artistic value. It's all complete bollocks.

 

[rockmeister]

but the painting you like is not 'old masters' is it...If you like the renaissance you're just admitting that you do like radical Art...it was the renaissance that gave birth to 'modern art' You're only hope is to ONLY like gothic and pre gothic art, since at that point Artists were artisans, working as slaves for their employers and expressing no opinion in their work. Once you allow a feeling of any kind to creep in (Do you hate the emotion Michaelangelo portrays in the body of David? Cos you should) then you cant wave a red flag and say stop...that's too far. (Well you can, but that is your personal decision and I'm sorry but you don't rule the world). What's wrong with Emin's bed? She is telling us a story of her life with a still life arrangement using real objects. Cezanne did a few of those, but used paint. What people don't get is why she should be allowed to call it Art when it looks easy. All artists must have a mastery of traditional techniques must they? Do 'modern' musicians all have to play the violin to orchestral standards? The rap example is great ...really just a talking voive with computer generated backing. I like it too, but I don't say @that's not music because they are not an orchestra'.

Art MUST move on because if it hadn't, you would still only be looking at carvings of saints on the church wall and some stained glass...very beautiful, but do you really want to sacrifice, Leonardo, Rembrandt, Turner, Picasso, etc etc.

Finally remember you're arguement is as old as the hills and has been aired every time a new Art movement came along. Romanticism...pure rubbish. Banned by the French socialist government as radical and diversive. Impressionism far worse. Turner a mere dauber. Constable lukewarm, Picasso a charlatan, Dali a con man.

It is Art and music that are the soul of a society. That fact that Art is alive and thinking and trying to evolve means that we are too. Be glad.

 

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RM re emin (and perhaps tthe guy with the bricks), had she constrcuted some kind of statement about her life, fair enough, but to put a common or garden bed, in smacks of disrespect for ordinary folk, she was taking the piss, my guess is she spent too long in the art school bar, and threw that together, because she knew thethe pretentious hangers on who decide these things, are the easiest tosser to fool in the real world, I'm all for uncomfortable art, but their is making a statement, and taking the piss, emin takes the piss, you can dress it up in fancy prose and speak down to us as if we are some kind of plebs, but if not accepting tracy emins farce as art, makes me a pleb, well. all I can say is over and out from Pleb no 1, your welcome to your moral high ground.

 

[Guest]

double post

 

[Injector]

I'm with AK on this. Just to qualify, I like art from any era and of any persuasion so long as it is artistic. Simple as that. Whether Tracey Emin's 'bed' is from a new movement or not is irrelevant. I just think it's crap.

 

[rockmeister]

guys.... I didn't say you can't have an opinion or taste...in fact I was at pains to point out that you are welcome to like what you want...no-one will argue with that...But you were maintaining that Emin's work isn't Art and it is. Just because you don't like it is not, with respect. of any more significance than the fact that I do like it (well appreciate that we need it anyway). I'd not give it room space either, but that's not the point. I wasn't talking down to you AK...it's very difficult not to take a stand on these things (and I do happen to think of this as a bit of a crusade), without making an intellectual point...it's an intellectual arguement and if I put it in simple terms you might have thought me patronising?

90% of the popoulation agree with you anyway. But 99% of the population also hated impressionism, and now we think of it as fine and wonderful. I don't think Emin will survive into the history books as more than a one liner, but remember that Artists express and mirror the society in which they live. You (we) deserve Emin because that is how we live...fast and easy, nothing lasting, no depth or craft. Warhol expressed this perfectly with his concept of 'The Factory' as a place to create the Art that defined the 60's and Emins unmade bed defines the 90's. That's why it was in Tate Modern, and that's Tate modern's job, to represent what is relevant to NOW. If you want old masters, you go to the National. What connection can a 'Rembrandt fine art in oils' approach have to the internet world of nuclear war, more unmarried than married couples, fast food, throw away clothes, tabloid journalism and big brother? Maybe what you are syaing is that you long for a return to more traditional values? If so there is Art out there to suit you...as I said, the Summer Exhibition is a brilliant place to see all kinds for all people. Emin is there (or her like), so is Durer and the impressionists. I guess all I'm saying is, the world moves on. We get what we deserve, but if you don't like it, you are free to pick what you do like of course. But I don't feel that you should be in charge of the brake lever, nor I in charge of the throttle. Artists, musicians, writers, poets, architects are special gifted people and we must let them do what they do. I don't think 'the people' ought to be able to say 'we don't like that, stop it'...it's too Prince Charles for me. Freedom of expression, for everyone, please.

 

[Injector]

rockmeister wrote:

guys.... I didn't say you can't have an opinion or taste...in fact I was at pains to point out that you are welcome to like what you want...no-one will argue with that...But you were maintaining that Emin's work isn't Art and it is. Just because you don't like it is not, with respect. of any more significance than the fact that I do like it (well appreciate that we need it anyway). I'd not give it room space either, but that's not the point. I wasn't talking down to you AK...it's very difficult not to take a stand on these things (and I do happen to think of this as a bit of a crusade), without making an intellectual point...it's an intellectual arguement and if I put it in simple terms you might have thought me patronising? 90% of the popoulation agree with you anyway. But 99% of the population also hated impressionism, and now we think of it as fine and wonderful. I don't think Emin will survive into the history books as more than a one liner, but remember that Artists express and mirror the society in which they live. You (we) deserve Emin because that is how we live...fast and easy, nothing lasting, no depth or craft. Warhol expressed this perfectly with his concept of 'The Factory' as a place to create the Art that defined the 60's and Emins unmade bed defines the 90's. That's why it was in Tate Modern, and that's Tate modern's job, to represent what is relevant to NOW. If you want old masters, you go to the National. What connection can a 'Rembrandt fine art in oils' approach have to the internet world of nuclear war, more unmarried than married couples, fast food, throw away clothes, tabloid journalism and big brother? Maybe what you are syaing is that you long for a return to more traditional values? If so there is Art out there to suit you...as I said, the Summer Exhibition is a brilliant place to see all kinds for all people. Emin is there (or her like), so is Durer and the impressionists. I guess all I'm saying is, the world moves on. We get what we deserve, but if you don't like it, you are free to pick what you do like of course. But I don't feel that you should be in charge of the brake lever, nor I in charge of the throttle. Artists, musicians, writers, poets, architects are special gifted people and we must let them do what they do. I don't think 'the people' ought to be able to say 'we don't like that, stop it'...it's too Prince Charles for me. Freedom of expression, for everyone, please.

Fair enought RM, eloquently put. I'm not saying that I'm against people being able to do what they want to do and to get that into a gallery for people to see...if it's good enough. I just dislike this whole movement where even a five year old could compete with the supposed 'masters' - it's just not my cup of tea. As you quite rightly point out though, that doesn't matter one jot.

 

[rockmeister]

Bit of a rant...sorry probably one vodka too many. And actually it does matter that you don't like it...I dont like it either, I just accept that it needs to be...point is, I don't like those values that spawned it (being an old bastard) so I might say that we need to change society if we are going to change art? Luckily however, here in UK there are more artists than emin, so , if you can ignore the hype and the media, you can ignore her too. Throw the telly out the window !

 

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rockmeister wrote:

Bit of a rant...sorry probably one vodka too many. And actually it does matter that you don't like it...I dont like it either, I just accept that it needs to be...point is, I don't like those values that spawned it (being an old bastard) so I might say that we need to change society if we are going to change art? Luckily however, here in UK there are more artists than emin, so , if you can ignore the hype and the media, you can ignore her too. Throw the telly out the window !

hear hear

 

[Hawk]

analoguekid wrote:

hifiwigwam wrote:

rockmeister wrote:

been here, had the arguement.Art is not wallpaper

Art is not easy

Art is not comfortable

There is Art that is all the above, and you're free to go and buy it if you want. Art (like music) needs to refresh itself and at least it is brave enough to go on doing that, public approval or not. Music however....what has really shaken you up since Punk?

Fucking get on RM!

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but an unmade bed is not art, it's an unmade bed, abstracts fine, but an unmade bed, Biccy has pics of an untidy bedroom all over this website, should he charge you a fee for displaying them?

Maybe he should then at least he could get molly maids to sort it out