Practical Pre amps, around a grand.

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I reckon my Arcam will fetch about £500.00 and I can scrape together another £500.00 if the kids don't eat this month.

So what pre second hand or new, not bothered, would be a nice match for the Beard P100.

Must have remote and 5 inputs.

The above is non-negotiable. And I don't want some crappy over priced pot' in a box.

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Dealers feel free to post here too, thanks! No PM's though ta.

 

Ganders

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:doh:Don't even know my own amp properly,it's only got 4 inputs so that rules it out,or does a tape loop count as an input too,that long since I've used one can't remember what they do anymore! :oops:

 

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850 quid new. Earlier 99 series probly 350-400 second hand.

 

seasidersrock

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How about. Musical Fidelity. A1 FBP, has the inputs, M/M Phono , full remote and a USB Dac fitted. Built like a brick out house, sounds excellent and you can (if your lucky) pick one up for less than £500.

 

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Ah. Sorry, I actually thought it had 5 line inputs. But I expect most of these would be used in a Quad system where the quadlink is a balanced input for CD/tuner. If your TEAC has balanced output I wonder if someone somewhere makes an xlr-quadlink cable.

 

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Keeping to the S/S Pre-amp that offers good flexibility theme I reckon an MF A1fbp would fit the bill pretty well. There's a fair few happy owners on here & there have been several that have circulated here on the Wam & graced a few box-swappers systems even. There's plenty of generally very good feedback so they're summat of a known quantity.........On recollection I can't recollect anyone pairing one up with a powerful valve amp as in general S/S Pre + Valve power does seem summat of a 'Cinderella' pairing compared to the more commonly recommended Valve Pre+ S/S Power combo.

The MF has 6 line inputs, two of which are balanced + switchable MM/MC phono stage.......One each of the Balanced + Line inputs is also switchable as a Unity Gain HT/AV input from the back panel (*cute little chromed toggle switches, same as fer MM/MC switching). There's also a set of tape outs + tape monitor switch so you can easily run a H/Phone Amp (there's no H/Phone output on t' M.F. A1fbp) I have an MF x-can v8 I use fer can listening which usefully has a tape loop output which feeds my Alva Nanoface for recording vinyl. :geek:

It has remote switching for inputs, volume, tape monitor & mute. The remote is pretty horrid, but works well. I have a couple of Logitech Harmony Remotes & these are much nicer & cut down on clutter & are pretty much superior too any OEM ones I've had. They retain all the functionality of the originals with much better ergonomics. The 'Transmit Radius' coverage* (*Just made that up:geek: :D ) is also very good & I can easily control all my eqpmt from pretty oblique angles, indeed generally even pointing the remote pretty much any old where/how. :roll:

I have my full AV setup integrated to my main Stereo Rig & the results of using my main stereo power amp with my Audioflaps 8000 series Processor + 7 channel power amp combo are extremely good. Although it still always feels completely mentalist ter me fer basically fairly limited use.....its 5 boxes before any AV sources:oops: & the power up sequence always feels like a pre-flight check. :geek:

The A1fbp also has a USB input which I guess is a bit of a 'Brucie Bonus' .......it'll only handle 16/44.1 + 16/48 & has always had limited usefulness to me as if I ever need a quick hookup to the laptop It'll mostly be for doing cleanup/editing etc on my recorded Vinyl which is all 24bit. I now use the C.A. SM6's USB input which is very good......Lol in the fairly recent past I actually had 3 different examples of this limited functionality M.F. USB input, as my M1 DAC + x-can v8 also feature it too & indeed all sound identical. I believe the more recent revision of the M1 DACs USB input is now 'asynchronous' & will handle higher sampling rates/bit depths.

A1 fbp's often seem to turn up for up to £450 & even at the upper end of this seem to offer VGFM..........M.F.'s more recent M6 Pre looks all but identical on paper specs + inputs & flexibility to the earlier A1fbp* (*I have the early glossy brochure for the M6/AMS series with comprehensive quoted measurement figures) The main difference's look ter be that the M6 is in one box with more substantial casework & that it's reverted back to the use of a proper big 'n tactile KNOB:love: fer vol control.* (* The MF A1fbp's vol control is all analogue BTW...just with digital readout)

 

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A1 fbp is bright and tinny. The display is horrid. And the casework is a total dust magnet that's a PITA to clean.

I recently got my hands on Jake's AVI lab series pre. Ticks all the boxes, and I got mine well under half your budget. Sounds very nice indeed through all my amps too.

Like most things here, items change on a regular basis. Shout up if it floats your boat, and you shall have dibs. :^

 

Ganders

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I had an A1 Fbp for a while with my valve AN mono's,worked fine and sounded fine too,certainly not bright or tinny,quite neutral I thought actually.Display's a bit crap,built-in phono not great but ok,otherwise very good for the money and a bargain for the £400 or so they were going for once,not many about for sale now though.

Icon audio's considerably better mind,but then I would say that! :D

 

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Pre at the level you are about to spend James should include XLRs, it is a logical progression then to try actives down the line off the XLRs. Leftfield suggestion : Primare Pre30.

 

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The Eastern Electric Avant in the Classifieds would be excellent for the money being asked for. You heard mine briefly at 2012 Scalford. Lots of options for tube rolling with the ECC82/83 and 6x4 it uses.

The one for sale isn't mine as thats going nowhere at the moment.

 
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im using the beard p100 as well, and i used to have a dpa200s pre alongside, and for the little money they cost 2nd hand id have to say its a great little pre, lovely top end too, id have to say vgvfm.

since that ive now swapped it out for an audio synthesis affair.

obviously there are differences, but as stated for the money the dpa is a super bargain.

 

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The nakamichi in the classifieds. Check out the specs and go from there.

 
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Voice_Coil

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The nakamichi in the classifieds. Check out the specs and go from there.
yeh but is it a known good combo with the beard ?

i was looking at that too ages ago, didnt realise it hadnt gone ! id risk it myself but its an unknown risk and at that money id rather leave it to someone else :)

 

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All I can tell you is that it was a 3k pre amp in the 90's. it performed well at a recent bake off and I guess you'd profit on it if you sold it on.

It's all a gamble unless you can dem but that is a class pre.

 

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